Sloth, this is a stock board ( I think ) I owned sivc, sold and took a loss. Its called trading, I had every intention of buying back in at a more reasonable price, if you go back and read my posts, I explained why I sold and why I thought the sp was going to tank. Don't shoot the messenger, I have every right to voice my opinion on this co and what they do or don't do. And I never said " I told you so " I honestly think its a shame how much money some of you guys have thrown into this pipe dream of Jim Bickels. I'm not a " non- investor, and I only complain when I feel I've been cheated. I also post on other boards and only joined i-hub because of sivc m/b. You might be a good guy, but you imo are a lousy trader, so cut out the name-calling, or better yet we could compare portfolios, you might learn a thing or two. And one more time, don't blame " bashers " for your bad trades, this co has and always will be their own worst enemy. Stevie Wonder could see that.