over the phone (LMAO) b4 I ruined my standings with kanno, he said my GUESSTIMATION of 25C at the end of the yr was close to what they were looking at too. NOW with the usa in the pic, I bet it will be close to a 1 (sry guys) with a R/S or a buy back, but a R/S is easier for them to do... lets just hope they choose the later!