Replies to post #475170 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[fuagf]

B402, Yeah, just because it has been overlooked. You suggest overlooked for a specific reason, a nonsense thought which could only arise from an overly conspiracy leaning psyche. What else, i ask you. That aside if so, for what reason would YOU think?

"Over looked hypothesis........ maybe for a reason? But I see similarities or one leading to the other....
P - Do you think the inequity we see today, highest since the guided age, would result in
P - They care deeply about whether each individual’s economic outcomes occur for fair reasons. Thus citizens turn to populism when they do not get the economic opportunities and outcomes they think they fairly deserve

Sure. Obviously the drift back, thanks to your side's conservative policies, would obviously be one of the contributing factors to more people seeing the situation as being unfair.

To me it is telling that YOU still don't appear to understand see why i and others here see your anti-dem position as pure bullshit. For what it is in fact, pure crap. And why i and others see you clearly as being phony on the issues you claim to care about.

This is why: You claim to care about inequity yet on virtually every post condemn
the party which most works to fix the inequity you say you care about.

That's why i and others see you as insincere.

And it's not valid at all for YOU to fall back to your invalid 'they are both complicit' false equivalence.

There is a some truth in that, but not for you as you never voice your venom against
the GOP who are unarguably the party most responsible for the inequity you dislike.

And you refuse to accept that all the rest of us agreed, before you arrived on the scene, that being back to Gilded Age level inequality sucks.

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[arizona1]

Oh look, a poll!

WOW. pic.twitter.com/mu8psjf9IV

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) May 19, 2024

[newmedman]

[fuagf]

B402, To your wiki that neither i nor anyone else here would hate to read. Just take the very first bit so as not to cherry pick:

Populism is a range of political stances that emphasize the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group with "the elite".[1] It is frequently associated with anti-establishment and anti-political sentiment.[2] The term developed in the late 19th century and has been applied to various politicians, parties and movements since that time, often as a pejorative. Within political science and other social sciences, several different definitions of populism have been employed, with some scholars proposing that the term be rejected altogether.[1][3]

A common framework for interpreting populism is known as the ideational approach: this defines populism as an ideology that presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving.[4] Populists differ in how "the people" are defined, but it can be based along class, ethnic, or national lines. Populists typically present "the elite" as comprising the political, economic, cultural, and media establishment, depicted as a homogeneous entity and accused of placing their own interests, and often the interests of other groups—such as large corporations, foreign countries, or immigrants—above the interests of "the people".[5] According to the ideational approach, populism is often combined with other ideologies, such as nationalism, liberalism, or socialism. Thus, populists can be found at different locations along the left–right political spectrum, and there exist both left-wing populism and right-wing populism.[6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

So that's on take on it. I think it is the view of populism most articles on Trump and other authoritarians like him take. Trump feeds division in use of elites vs the rest. You do to. You probably use 'the elite' more than any other here. Also Trump whole martyrdom campaign is all about them and us, he placing himself out of the elite class, which in itself is a dishonest insult. So in the above view is not exactly as you put it

""Populism precisely is taking into account the people's opinion. Have people the right,
in a democracy, to hold an opinion? If that is the case, then yes, I am a populist.""

is it. The other more suits your claim to be one of the people.

Other scholars of the social sciences have defined the term populism differently. According to the popular agency definition used by some historians of United States history, populism refers to popular engagement of the population in political decision making. An approach associated with the political scientist Ernesto Laclau presents populism as an emancipatory social force through which marginalised groups challenge dominant power structures. Some economists have used the term in reference to governments which engage in substantial public spending financed by foreign loans, resulting in hyperinflation and emergency measures. In popular discourse—where the term has often been used pejoratively—it has sometimes been used synonymously with demagogy, to describe politicians who present overly simplistic answers to complex questions in a highly emotional manner, or with political opportunism, to characterise politicians who seek to please voters without rational consideration as to the best course of action.[citation needed]

Some scholars have linked populist policies to adverse economic outcomes, as "economic disintegration, decreasing macroeconomic stability, and the erosion of institutions typically go hand in hand with populist rule."[7]

That last is more of the guts of Trump's bag, eh. It sure as hell is not all about 'listen to the people', 'democracy is good' sentiment as you suggested it was. Your whole again:

"Over looked hypothesis........ maybe for a reason? But I see similarities or one leading to the other....

Do you think the inequity we see today, highest since the guided age, would result in

They care deeply about whether each individual’s economic outcomes occur for fair reasons. Thus citizens turn to populism when they do not get the economic opportunities and outcomes they think they fairly deserve

So back to the elites and government which allow Inequity and a lack of economic out comes....

Will cherry pick from wiki
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

"Populism precisely is taking into account the people's opinion. Have people the right, in a democracy, to hold an opinion? If that is the case, then yes, I am a populist."

Dems could learn a thing or two about differing opinions and how they handle it...Perhaps another reason for the rise of populism....Anyhoot, good over looked hypothesis, thanks for the link...And hope you read last nights that I posted"

though here i am only dealing with the 2nd part. Heh, yeah, and to why i left this for last. The real reason why you said i should read your post again .. LOL .. it's the dems again. LOL. y/w and of course i read last nights' too.

[janice shell]

The rise of populism..

Oh yeah, populists. Gotta love 'em. Huey Long, George Wallace, Father Coughlin. Going back farther, William Jennings Bryan... And then in South America, Hugo Chavez, and, in the past, Juan Peron.

Great guys? I don't think so.