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zab

04/20/24 1:54 PM

#471000 RE: Nikodemos #470999

One Democrat introduced a bill to strip secret service from convicted felons, that's really funny, it's not even assigned a committee, do you know anything about the American government, or do you just love a Russian dictatorship.
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zab

04/20/24 1:57 PM

#471003 RE: Nikodemos #470999

You act like a nine year old.
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zab

04/20/24 2:11 PM

#471007 RE: Nikodemos #470999

Always enjoy a chuckle, thanks
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fuagf

04/20/24 10:04 PM

#471087 RE: Nikodemos #470999

Your "whole point" is a stretch and a notion could be of worth rather than just ""superiority"." Notice no caps necessary.

I found Joseph Campbell interesting, until i didn't so much any more. Over 60 years ago, it's virtually all disappeared now. Ah, yes. Some came back on reading the bit i bolded below. Since i was reading in attempts to figure out what the stuff life was all about and not to develop story writing, the sense of a belief in the secret, and in mythology, started wearing a bit thin after a time.

This Martin Turner knew/knows him, and the field, better than i ever could.

Why do some people hate Joseph Campbell? (Campbell seemed to make a lot of sense with his
concept of "follow your bliss" and all kinds of other ideas. What angle is the critic coming from?)


Martin Turner
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I’ve never encountered anyone who hated him.

His ideas were popular for a while in literature, and then abandoned because they only work for a small subset of stories. Christopher Booker tried to revive the idea that there are a limited number of stories in The Seven Basic Plots. However, most people who reviewed the book found that there were numerous counter-examples.

There is a particular seam of ‘heroic journey’ writing which Campbell was able to identify. However, those stories tend to be quite basic, and essentially mythical or fairy-tale. However, even most fairy-tales don’t actually fit his paradigm.

In their desperation to find plots that work, many writers have been reading Campbell or his imitators over the last thirty or so years. One of the characteristics of the way we think is that if someone shows you a pattern and tells you that it is the secret pattern underlying everything else, you will start to fit other things around it.

So, Star Wars is clearly a Campbell-type narrative, but it should be, because Lucas was influenced by Campbell. The Lord of the Rings isn’t, unless you reinterpret it. Christopher Booker was accused of doing this.

Actually, Star Wars, the Lord of the Rings and pretty much every other book do follow a pattern, but it’s a much simpler one, and it was identified by Aristotle. It is that stories proceed by discoveries and reversals. Since the middle ages, we properly have double reversals rather than single reversals, where, to make a win look greater, we first start to lose, and to make a loss more bitter, we first start to win. That’s the basic ‘plot behind all plots’, but if you try to get more elaborate than that, then you start excluding some of the greatest stories, or else saying they are about a different character than the protagonist. It’s a brave man who says that Shakespeare, Austen, Dickens, Eliot, Conan Doyle and Tolkien all mistook their characters.

As long as you accept that Campbell had a short-lived theory in the late 1940s which has since been dismissed, but has had significant influence in some market sectors, you are unlikely to encounter much hate. If you insist on telling your literature professor that they have misunderstood everything and if only they read Campbell it will all be clear, then you may find yourself on the wrong end of a sarcastic remark, which you may perceive as hate.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-hate-Joseph-Campbell-Campbell-seemed-to-make-a-lot-of-sense-with-his-concept-of-follow-your-bliss-and-all-kinds-of-other-ideas-What-angle-is-the-critic-coming-from