VIRC ... not sure where you're getting shipping + backlog measure went down year over year. Or maybe you mean just 'backlog'.... perhaps you were able to back into that numbe? They do say in the earnings pr that "...Forward indicator of “Shipments plus Backlog” reaches record $317.6 million vs. $289.6 million last year" (and I think S+B went up even more sequentially). And in their April presentation on page 12 which came out the same time as the prelim #'s, it also showed the same numbers I cited for fy end '24 vs '23.