Replies to post #784697 on Fannie Mae-No Politics (FNMA)

[Rodney5]

LuLeVan, as you said “You should not criticize people here who are expressing their (legal) expectations about the future of the GSE saga.” I agree, BUT Promoting theft is not expressing legal expectations.

Read it again!

Rodney5
11/16/23 8:23 PM
Post #774859 on Fannie Mae (FNMA)
Information for anyone new on this board concerning the ‘Cram-Down’ argument.

There are certain people that are encouraging theft, these people want the Treasury Department to wipe out the Common Shareholders, referred to as Legacy Common Shareholders. Not only do these people want the Owners of Common Stock destroyed but take great links in rejoicing of the destruction of the Common Shareholders and consistently for many years have advocated this theft.

Transfer of Ownership Cram-Down

Explained,

Legacy Shareholders means, collectively, each person that owns common stock of the Company immediately prior to the closing of the Transaction (cram-down) which in no event shall include any of the Investors; or very few will remain afterwards maybe 1% or less.

A cram-down deal refers to a situation where an investor or creditor is forced into accepting undesirable terms in a transaction or bankruptcy proceedings.

In the case with Fannie Mae the Treasury's holding of senior preferred stock in the amount of $120.8 billion, with a liquidation preference of $190.5 billion.

If the Treasury converts this amount of SPS into common stock the Treasury in essence will own 99.9% of all the common stock outstanding. The number of shares outstanding depends on price per share at the time converted. The amount of shares outstanding after the cram-down does not matter at all, it's the percent ownership, a transfer of ownership from the legacy common shareholders to the Treasury. This transaction will cause the legacy common stock to vanish along with any short positions, naked short positions as well as any counterfeit common stock outstanding. Afterwards, the Treasury can do a reverse split reducing the amount in number of the new common stock outstanding to any amount outstanding the Treasury decides.

[Barron4664]

Thanks LuLU

I agree one hundred percent with what you say which is why I haven’t called kthomp19 out personally for years. That all changed when he posted the below:

“Treasury Secretary John Paulson... Would he dilute the shareholders? Hrmmm...


Absolutely. As much as he possibly can. He owns a lot of juniors but no commons. If he becomes the Treasury Secretary then a senior-to-common conversion would benefit him in an official capacity and a junior-to-common conversion would benefit him in a personal capacity. Doing neither would not benefit him at all.”

Those are his words. He believes it is perfectly reasonable for a government official to act immorally and unethically and in the case of the above, criminally. Sorry that I offended anyone on this board. But, the above is an example of using the gov to steal from us and give to someone else. Corruption at best, communism at worst.

[jkl2015]

Well written and accurate assessment imo.