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Rodney5

01/10/24 10:46 AM

#781489 RE: Barron4664 #781481

Barron Quote: "This is why there is language in the agreement to be able to nullify and wind back the entire agreement if a court finds any part of the agreement to be illegal."

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6.12. Non-Severability. Each of the provisions of this Agreement is integrated with and integral to the whole and shall not be severable from the remainder of the Agreement. In the event that any provision of this Agreement, the Senior Preferred Stock or the Warrant is determined to be illegal or unenforceable, then Purchaser may, in its sole discretion, by written notice to Conservator and Seller, declare this Agreement null and void, whereupon all transfers hereunder (including the issuance of the Senior Preferred Stock and the Warrant and any funding of the Commitment) shall be rescinded and unwound and all obligations of the parties (other than to effectuate such rescission and unwind) shall immediately and automatically terminate.

https://www.fhfa.gov/Conservatorship/Documents/Senior-Preferred-Stock-Agree/FNM/SPSPA-amends/FNM-SPSPA_09-07-2008.pdf

The Man With No Name

01/10/24 11:29 AM

#781498 RE: Barron4664 #781481

The agreement between Treasury and FHFA is ultra vires in the purest sense of the word.



Bovine excrement. I don't think you understand what 'ultra vires' means. The Supreme Court doesn't agree with your assertion either.

The SPSPA agreement does not have the power to violate the common law contract rights of others. It is merely an agreement between two executive branch agencies. As our friend Rodney likes to say an “Illegal contract”.



And he's just as wrong as you. Maybe you two are one and the same.

clarencebeaks21

01/10/24 2:14 PM

#781526 RE: Barron4664 #781481

One key thing I agree that you pick up on is “if a court finds any part of the contract illegal (or unenforceable)”. There, the SPSA by its own terms requires a court to make a legal finding of an illegal or unenforceable contract. Unless and until such a claim, which is *usually a defense*, is fully litigated, this whole discussion is just academic.

(And note FHFA has no reason to raise an illegal contract defense at the 11th hour, because FHFA is not being sued by the Treasury, so such a defense cannot apply).

But for the sake of discussion (emphasis, academic) I would add:

One, I suppose a stock holder might use the Lamberth evidence (whatever it was) to file a third party claim demanding FHFA sue UST to litigate the NWS as contractually illegal or unenforceable. Assuming derivative standing was granted (not barred by the succession clause), Ps remedy demand would then need to be injunctive in nature, and thus wouldn’t it be barred by the anti-injunction clause?

Two, still let’s ignore HERA’s bars, momentarily. Can we then explain and apply the state substantive contract law on Ps side such that the P could persuade a court they’ve stated a claim upon which relief can be granted?:

Ps Illegality claim looks like a guaranteed loss, because the NWS was legislatively authorized (per SCOTUS).

Ps Unenforceability claim is slightly less black & white, but, how can Ps persuasively argue that the NWS contravened public policy when in fact (per SCOTUS) the NWS served “the public”?

In the end, I get you that if Lamberth’s facts are more aggravated from what SCOTUS saw (I don’t know), then that might be potentially helpful to a future claimant. But here again, a simple breach does not an illegality make. So . . . I think, as-is, your ready-made outcome is not quite as ready as you might like. But it’s a novel approach so GL with it.