Replies to post #453336 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[blackhawks]

One, unavoidable, preemptive, existential war led to the acquisition by Israel of Arab lands. The provocations WERE an existential threat to Israel.

Arab-Israeli War of 1967

On the morning of June 5, 1967, Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egyptian forces in response to Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran. By June 11, the conflict had come to include Jordan and Syria. As a result of this conflict, Israel gained control over the Sinai peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem. Israeli claims on these territories, and the question of the Palestinians stranded there, posed a long term challenge to Middle East diplomacy.

Since the Arab-Israeli War of 1948, the Israelis had clashed intermittently with Palestinian Arabs and Arab forces from the neighboring states. By the mid-1960s, these incidents intensified causing increased diplomatic tensions in the Middle East. On April 7, 1967 a skirmish on land turned into a major air battle during which Israel shot down six Syrian MiG aircraft over Mount Hermon on the Golan Heights. This led President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt immediately offered to assist Syria in the event of a future Israeli attack.

On May 13, Nasser received a secret message from the Soviet Union, which supplied both Egypt and Syria with weapons, informing him that Israel had massed troops on the Syrian border. Nasser took immediate steps to uphold his pledge to Syria. On May 14, he mobilized his army, and, three days later, he asked United Nations Secretary General U Thant to remove the United Nations Emergency Forces that had been stationed on the Sinai Peninsula since the end of the Suez Canal Crisis of 1956. The Secretary General agreed to a full withdrawal. Nasser then closed the Straits of Tiran on May 21 to all shipping both to and from Israel.

U.S. President Lyndon Johnson condemned the Egyptian blockade of the Straits of Tiran and tried to discourage a war while still supporting Israel. Although Arab nations believed that Johnson would support an Israeli military action, the United States did not want to be drawn into another armed conflict as it was already committed to fighting the Vietnam War. In a public address on May 23, President Johnson denied Egypt's right to interfere with the shipping rights of any nation in the Gulf of Aqaba and committed the United States to supporting the rights of all the nations in the region. He warned that the United States would oppose aggression by any state in the area but encouraged diplomatic negotiations.

By the end of May, despite diplomatic efforts, tensions continued to rise. The withdrawal of the United Nations forces from the Sinai, the redeployment of Egyptian troops to the Sinai, the massing of hostile forces on the Israeli border, and the signing of a Mutual Defense Pact between Egypt and Jordan on May 30, weakened U.S. efforts to dissuade Israel from taking military action.

The war began on June 5, 1967, when Israeli airplanes attacked the Egyptian air force and destroyed many airfields. Between June 5 and June 11, Israeli Defense Forces led onslaughts against Egyptian forces in Sinai and Gaza, and against the Jordanian military in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The conflict ended with significant battles against Syrian forces on the Golan Heights between June 9 and 10. By June 11, Israel controlled territory previously held by the Arabs in the Sinai, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.

The United States and the Soviet Union did not intervene in this conflict and pledged that they would make every effort to end the fighting. Soviet and U.S. officials cooperated in the United Nations Security Council to broker cease-fire agreements.

Following the war, the issue of the return of Israel-occupied territories received most attention. U.S. President Johnson spoke out against any permanent change in the legal and political status of the Israeli-occupied territories and emphasized that Arab land should be returned only as part of an overall peace settlement that recognized Israel's right to exist.

The principle of land for peace was embodied in United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 adopted in November 1967. Resolution 242 called for the Israeli withdrawal from the territories it had occupied following the 1967 war in exchange for peace with its neighbors. The land for peace formula served as the basis for future Middle East negotiations.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm#:~:text=By%20June%2011%2C%20Israel%20controlled,Gaza%20Strip%20and%20East%20Jerusalem.

[fuagf]

brooklyn13, Yep, that's an old saying which will always have some resonance ..

Charity begins at home; shouldn't we solve our own problems before helping others?

As individuals, we are not able to help everyone in need and so we must make difficult decisions about where we use our resources. One way of making such a decision might be to favour people who live locally. After all, there’s no shortage of people --- even in the wealthiest countries --- who need and deserve our help. We may be especially well-placed to attend to the needs of those near to us. Yet, while there may be some benefits to making local donations, it is in general vastly more cost-effective to support interventions in low-income countries.

The proverb "charity begins at home" is often mistaken for scripture. The Bible does emphasise .. https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/charity-begins-at-home.html .. the importance of helping those nearest to us: "Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."1

The phrase "charity begins at home" was popularised in the 17th century by Thomas Fuller, a British clergyman and historian. However, Fuller's meaning is often misinterpreted today. He didn't mean that we should only help those near to us. His full text .. https://www.amazon.com/Gnomologia-Adagies-Proverbs-Sentences-Sayings/dp/0766167879 .. states: "Charity begins at home, but should not end there" (emphasis added). In other words, we should nurture a sense of compassion and generosity in our relationships with those around us, but we should then work to extend that compassion and generosity to the rest of the world.

https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/blog/charity-begins-at-home-shouldnt-we-solve-our-own-problems-before-helping

You say the maps in my posts are cherry-picking, i guess what you mean, (again) is that maps and injustices occurring in one country should not be be posted without (for context) also mentioning similar land-grab and exploitation which has happened for generations in about every country in the world.

Seems we have had that chat before. This post is close to the the end of it ..
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=170117320

The article you posted -- Australia
Events of 2022
Following Anthony Albanese’s election as prime minister, Australia’s first change of government in nine years led to some improvement in human rights, including more ambitious greenhouse gas emission targets to address climate change. However, many rights concerns remain, such as the significant overrepresentation of First Nations people in the criminal justice system and mandatory offshore processing and “turn-backs” of asylum seekers who arrive by boat.
P - In the wake of devastating floods and heatwaves, climate change was a key concern for many Australians in the 2022 election, with a record number of politicians elected on ambitious climate justice platforms. The Albanese government’s continued support for the expansion of fossil fuel industries contributes to the global climate crisis and undermines the right to a healthy environment. In 2022, several Australian states introduced new laws targeting peaceful climate and environmental protesters with disproportionate punishments and excessive bail conditions.

looks fair. The bit i bolded is why i voted Labor - https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/australia#2c9b66

I would have thought before now you know me well enough to know i have, over years, posted on most all negatives in there. And on topics such as how African country borders came to be et al. Too bad you can't use the search function. A couple here with more around them you could access if interested:

Nauru media visa fee hike to 'cover up harsh conditions at Australian tax-payer funded detention centre'

"Australia's detention centres ruin lives"
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=115066497

Refugees pick Nauru over US
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=146718492

'Deeply sorry': Western Australia police chief apologises to Indigenous people
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=170667741

Now forget for a minute exploitation in and/or by other countries, you would be well aware of the damage
Trump did/is doing to America. Well, there are some who see Netanyahu now going down a similar path:

Netanyahu’s Betrayal of Democracy Is a Betrayal of Israel
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=170949384

One more on the ME situation .. Yep, would be nice
•The West Bank and Gaza go to the Palestinians;
•Large Israeli settlements adjacent to Israel go to Israel in exchange for an equal slice of land;
•The Old City of Jerusalem is open to all faiths and nationalities, under international supervision;
•Arab refugees from 1948 and 1967 get monetary restitution but resettlement limited to the West Bank;
• Palestinians recognize Israel and agree to halt all attacks against it;
•Cooperation is pledged between both sides on patrolling Jordan Valley and Gaza borders.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54033462

And back to Australia, i put this on tab last night, will link it to others here next post:

Australia Must Finally Listen to Its Indigenous People
Oct. 9, 2023
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/09/opinion/australia-referendum-indigenous-voice.html

Sadly, all the polls indicate Australia is going to reject the Voice proposal. Thanks largely to our far-right

"When Right meets Right, it's all wrong: Alex Antic a poster boy for Australia's Trumpists"
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=172417599

and our Federal opposition leader Peter Dutton - Peter Dutton opposes the Voice to Parliament — but not all Liberal leaders agree
By Mikaela Ortolan and staff Posted Tue 5 Sep 2023 at 6:23am, updated Tue 5 Sep 2023 at 7:34am
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-05/peter-dutton-voice-to-parliament-yes-no-vote-referendum/102797582

Finally, i don't understand where you see "outrage" in the posts on Israel. I feel basically hopelessness
and sadness while posting posts involving exploitation, injustice, hardship, bullshit .. et al .. in any country.

[sortagreen]

Oh look. You're back.

Hey, you've conquered the land and the 5 million plus human beings on it. What are your intentions toward them?

You should have an easy answer to that one. Gas chambers, you think?