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07/17/23 5:41 PM

#449343 RE: hap0206 #449340

Clear to learned scholars too. hap0206, The Constitutionalist -- The Republican Party’s Dangerous Anti-Democratic Turn
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The Republican Party is disowning the American experiment in democratic self-government. And they are empowering the illiberal elements in the Republican Party and conservative circles who are all too willing, in defending Trump, to dispense with the American Constitution. Trump’s tawdry intellectuals started down this path within days of the election. They’ve called for violence in the streets to bring this about. It’s all justified because the alternative—a Biden presidency like the possibility of a Clinton presidency—will, somehow, end America.

In a special message to Congress delivered on July 4th in 1861, President Abraham Lincoln insisted the great challenge facing America was whether we could maintain popular government “against a formidable internal attempt to overthrow it.”

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Clear to all except you and your ilk. To be imprisoned in an ideological cell as you are
is not freedom. It's dumbfuckery. Could even suggest it should be seen as unAmerican.

blackhawks

07/17/23 5:54 PM

#449345 RE: hap0206 #449340

Hard to accept? Tough shit. That attitude led to an insurrection.

-- hard to accept an election when there is widespread allegations of fraudulent behavior

Why do you accept allegations rather than wonder about evidence?

What do you KNOW that these judges didn't look into?

In more than 60 cases, judges “looked at the allegations that Trump was making and determined they were without any merit.”

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/08/joe-biden/joe-biden-right-more-60-trumps-election-lawsuits-l/



IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT...your attention span shorter still and your blind ideology cripples your judgement...

Biden’s figure is correct. Trump wasn't an official plaintiff in all of them; some were his allies or supporters echoing Trump’s claims.

The lawsuits failed for various reasons. Some had errors in the filings, others lacked standing. Mainly, the allegations lacked proof.

A day after a mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol, President-elect Joe Biden spoke about the importance of democratic institutions. He said that one of those pillars was the judiciary system.

Trump was "truly stunned when the judges he appointed didn't do his bidding and instead acted with integrity, following the Constitution, upholding the rule of law," Biden said.

"In more than 60 cases, in state after state after state, and then at the Supreme Court, judges, including people considered ‘his judges, Trump judges,’ to use his words, looked at the allegations that Trump was making and determined they were without any merit," Biden said Jan. 7, at an event where he introduced Judge Merrick Garland as his nominee for U.S. Attorney General.

Is that accurate? Yes. More than 60 lawsuits brought by Trump and his allies failed because they were unable to prove their allegations. Some lawsuits were dismissed due to errors in the filings and other procedural issues.

PolitiFact reached out to Biden’s transition team and the Trump campaign but did not hear back.

Failed lawsuits from Trump and his supporters

Marc Elias, a lawyer who has filed and defended cases on behalf of Democrats, keeps a tally on the outcome of the election cases.

"It is 63 losses by Trump and his allies," Elias told PolitiFact the morning of Jan. 8. "We treat each case separately — so if there is a federal case and a state case, we treat them as two cases. We only ever count a case one time — so if there is an appeal or remand, we do not treat that as a separate loss."

The one case where Trump found success didn’t involve an allegation about fraud. The case centered on reducing the amount of time Pennsylvania voters had to fix errors on their mail-in ballots. The matter involved a small number of ballots that didn’t change the outcome.

By Tom Kertscher • June 22, 2023

News outlets, including Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, have reported that Trump and supporters of his campaign have been routinely defeated in court. "Judges have denied or dismissed dozens of cases backed by Trump and his allies, who have pushed unsupported charges of widespread fraud in battleground states," said a Jan. 7 Fox News report.

The lawsuits collapsed as Trump and his allies failed to prove the fraud they alleged. Plaintiffs in some lawsuits lacked standing to sue, and some were also riddled with errors. In one case, an affidavit that attempted to cite results from precincts in Michigan cited Minnesota data instead.

At least 86 judges — from state courts to the U.S. Supreme Court — have rejected at least one post-election lawsuit filed by Trump or his supporters, according to a review of court filings by the Washington Post, published Dec. 12. Around that time, more than 50 cases had failed or been tossed out of court, the Post found.

The Post analysis found that 38 judges appointed by Republicans were among the 86 judges who had rejected lawsuits. The U.S. Supreme Court, which includes three Trump-appointed justices, rejected Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton’s challenge to election results in four states.

Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, said in dismissing one Pennsylvania challenge: "Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

Our ruling

Biden said that in more than 60 cases, judges "looked at the allegations that Trump was making and determined they were without any merit."

Biden’s figure is correct. Trump wasn't a plaintiff in all of them, some were his allies or supporters echoing Trump’s claims. The lawsuits failed for various reasons: some had errors in the filings, others lacked standing. Mainly, the allegations lacked proof.

We rate Biden’s claim True.