weatherfuel, I hear ya. I lost a bunch of money on NSAV back when Saltrelli was the CEO. I also lost money in the dotcom crash. In all it came to about $80K. Never took deductions, so can write off some gains. Anyway, sorry to see you bail. I understand not wanting to lose anymore, but the way I looked at it when it was at .00257 was it came down from .05 and the juice had to be squeezed out of it and I still had faith in the long term plans of SBC. They will not let it fail. They have too much in it. Long term, I figured, I was good, so I hung on and never sold a share. In fact, I picked up about 300K. I'm now sitting on 1.3 million and will probably buy a few more tomorrow. I'm putting only money in that I can lose, which I don't think I will. In other words, I'm investing cash rewards from credit cards, which I consider free money. I believe my PPS is under 1.2 cents and it could break that very soon. IMO. By the way. I filed bankruptcy in 2010, paid it off in two years, and didn't miss a beat. I would not want to do that today. I have too much to lose.