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hookrider

09/03/22 8:44 AM

#422671 RE: livefree_ordie #422670

livefree_ordie: If anyone should take there "comedy" Bull Shit act on the road, it;s you!!! piss ant!!!!!
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blackhawks

09/03/22 9:02 AM

#422674 RE: livefree_ordie #422670

Constitutional illiterate and alt-reality word salad tosser is more accurate.

At least Jill doesn't brush Joe's hand away. I would have loved to have seen Trump on a bike, but the ramp walk sufficed to demonstrate the orange guys frailty just as his insane riffs on colonial airfields, junk science Covid 'remedies' and his hilarious misuse of a sharpie altered weather map showed his badly diminished mental capacity.

You Trumper assholes don't LIKE being called out for the treason weasel supporters of an insurrection inciting, classified doc stealing, orange prick?

Biden told the truth, you think he's a meanie. Tough shit!

No president in my lifetime ever talked about his Republican predecessor like Joe Biden did

John Stoehr
September 03, 2022

https://www.rawstory.com/no-president-in-my-lifetime-ever-talked-about-his-republican-predecessor-like-joe-biden-did/

Here’s the important thing about the president’s prime-time address Thursday evening on the steps of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

That it happened.


Forget about the details for a second.

READ MORE: 'Awkward and angry': Donald Trump and allies lash out over Joe Biden's anti-MAGA extremism speech

https://www.alternet.org/2022/09/donald-trump-allies-lash-out/

No Democratic president in my lifetime has ever talked about a former GOP president the way Joe Biden did. Every Democratic president in my lifetime has avoided even using his predecessor’s name for fear of appearing to blame him for problems he faces.

Moreover: No Democratic president has since Richard Nixon’s resignation, the year I was born, named a sizeable faction of the opposing party – “the MAGA Republicans” – as the source of violence threatening the Constitution, the rule of law and democracy. Every Democratic president has, at least since 1974, presumed the Republican Party’s good faith and commitment to the republic.

And: No Democratic president has ever questioned publicly the elemental patriotism of a former Republican president and his followers. No Democratic president has questioned their very Americanness. No Democratic president has come this close to calling his GOP predecessor a traitor. “You can't be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American,” the president said. “They're incompatible."

No Democratic president has ever, in my lifetime, identified the people’s enemy in the course of being the people’s partisan.

In my view, last night’s speech was the BFD of BFDs.

It broke so strenuously and decisively, even aggressively, from past politics that the press and pundit corps can be forgiven, temporarily, for not seeing it for what it is, but instead what it is not, which is to say, a speech that Democratic presidents are supposed to give.

The press and pundit corps expected a serious speech, to be sure, but it appears they expected Biden to say something akin to what Biden’s former boss would say – that we’re all Americans, that we all agree on fundamental democratic principles and that if we work hard and long enough together, we will in time find points of agreement.

Biden said no. We can’t.

Not with these people.


Commentary this morning among neutral observers was insufferable. But remember this: If you have never seen something, you probably won’t see it as new but instead something you already know. In this case, the press and pundits corps have never seen a Democratic president go on the offensive the way Joe Biden did last night.

So it’s not surprising that some in the press and pundit corps (I do not mean bad-faith rightwingers) see last night’s address as “partisan.” Biden talked up his and his party’s accomplishments. He talked them up in a prime-time speech before election season begins. These things give substance to the charge of partisanship.

But “partisan” has three meanings, three senses.

We use one, typically.

Biden’s speech used all of them.

The first is obvious. Biden said my party blah-blah-blah. “Vote, vote, vote,” he said. The second sense and third senses aren’t obvious.

The second indicates an armed member of an insurgency, to wit: “Donald Trump led partisans in assaulting the US Capitol.”

The third sense describes one’s disposition, a prejudice for or against a cause of some kind. For example: “Joe Biden is partisan for freedom and democracy, and against lawlessness, disloyalty and insurrection.” (The third sense can obviously mean prejudice for or against a party.)

Consider when Biden said democracy can’t survive when political violence is normal. "Democracy endures only if ... we the people see politics not as total war but the mediation of our differences."

I’m pretty sure Biden would prefer that democracy’s needs did not overlap with his party’s needs, because he would rather that attention to his party did not overshadow attention to democracy.

But such preferences are out of his control. The stream of history has brought us to where democracy and the Democratic Party are synonymous. The people who see politics as “total war” – that’s Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans. The people who see politics as “the mediation of our differences” – that’s Joe Biden, the Democrats and, in the president’s view, “mainstream Republicans.”

My liberal brethren take issue with the difference between “MAGA Republicans” and “mainstream Republicans.” There’s not much daylight between them. But Biden is aiming for something higher.

By making that distinction, Biden is giving Republican voters who had supported Trump, but who are now having second thoughts, a path toward redemption – a means of reentering respectable society and returning to politics as “the mediation of our differences,” not war.

He’s moreover enlarging the voting coalition that put him in office. He’s gathering the strength he’ll need to be the people’s partisan.

Remember that presidents (are supposed to) represent all Americans. That office of government is the only one about which all US citizens have a say. “I’m an American president,” Biden said last night, “not the president of red America or blue America, but of all America.

When a Democratic president identifies an individual and his followers as an enemy that can no longer be tolerated, that’s a truly world-changing BFD. That means that as the people’s partisan – as the tribune of Democrats, independents, “mainstream Republicans,” everyone – that he represents a political reaction to that enemy.
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fuagf

09/03/22 7:22 PM

#422743 RE: livefree_ordie #422670

livefree_ordie, Your arrogance, your insult and your relatively fact-free misinformative efforts are wearing increasingly thin. In light of Trump's continuing support and in light of the success in recent election of people he has endorsed and in light of the work his people are doing to subvert future elections your statement that he holds no power ..

"The folks on this board somehow believe the former holder of this office holds some power in this Country again too funny, all this time posting so much drivel about someone who has zero power and their man holds both houses and the Presidency that are attempting to somehow all of a sudden come across as just plain honest folks and we follow the rule of law. Again what a laugh a minute here."

in American is astounding in it's blatant ignorance. You haven't a fucking clue about what you are talking about.

In viewing from this point forward your posts will be subject to deletion if in the moderators
view they include assertions which should be accompanied by credible, supportive links.

Am starting to wonder if you could be a paid political operative.