Replies to post #241875 on Kraig Biocraft Laboratories Inc (KBLB)

[want2retire]

Killing it with their brewed proteins that no longer even mention spider silk as a comp. Might be time for a Spiber name update.

Probably time for KBLB to remove a “competitor” from the list as well, since they appear to have moved on to battling it out in the eco synthetics game.

Best of luck to them and their new competitive landscape.

[GTman1]

For anyone who still doesn't understand the revenue potential of KBLB's monster/dragon silk, I implore you to follow this launch of Spibers collaboration with Pangaia on June 7th

Here are the facts:
-Pangaia's normal cotton hoodie cost about $160.
-Pangaia's organic cotton hoodie costs $220
-Pangaia's organic cotton blend with Spiber's "brewed protein" costs $395
-Pangaia/Spiber hoodie is 88% organic cotton and %12 brewed protein

A normal hoodie weighs about 450-700 grams.
So lets say this Pangaia/Spiber hoodie is 600 grams. That means about 72grams of that hoodie is "brewed protein". That 72 grams of fiber was able to increase the sales price of that hoodie by $175.

So just 1 kilo of "brewed protein" was able to increase the value of about 14 hoodies from $3080 to $5530. So to Pangaia, the value of 1 kilo of Spibers brewed protein is $2450. Thats for 1 kilo! that value would be equal to $2.45 million per ton of their "brewed protein".

I think it's funny that some people can't understand how KBLBs Monster/Dragon silk can't command over $300 per kilo ($300,000 per ton). Especially now that they are working with Kings to go direct to consumer, which allows them to capture the retail market, as opposed to just being a spider silk wholesaler.

It is very plausible to see a scenario that Kings and KBLB are capturing over a million $ per ton of their spider silk. Especially because their product is far superior than Spibers "brewed protein".

Here is a description of the "brewed protein" hoodie on Pangaia's website:

This hoodie is made from a lab-growth protein fiber "Brewed Protein™"- a synthetic material inspired by DNA collected from nature. This unique and revolutionary fiber is bio-based and does not rely on animals or petrochemicals to create its luxurious, smooth feel.

88% organic cotton, 12% Brewed Protein™ Fibers
Fitted hood
Signature relaxed fit
Introducing Spiber's Brewed Protein materials. Created through a fermentation process for a final material that's kinder to the planet, contains no animal derivatives, and requires less land and water than traditional wool or cashmere. Feel the difference with the ultra smooth fiber finish.

There is nothing in that description that highlights strength or flexibility. It only highlights how it's animal free, "kinder to the planet" (debatable), and feels luxurious (a completely subjective opinion). And they have conveniently pivoted away from comparing it to spider silk (unlike Kraig Labs).

This is because (like I've been saying for a long time), their product is not comparable with spider silk. The process for them to purify the growing medium in their bioreactors in order to get a useful spider silk analog is way too expensive. So their "brewed protein" might have some spider silk proteins (although much shorter), but also the thousands of other proteins that the bacteria produce, along with the dead lysed bacteria. Ultimately making their product even less useful then regular silk. It is no wonder why they are now required to use the term "brewed protein" instead of spider silk. Even if they could purify it 99%, their proteins are too small to have any mechanical properties close to dragon silks 2GPa. Not to mention, KBLBs spider silk is many times cheaper to produce.

This is yet another example of the superiority of KBLBs product and process.

[SilkRoad]

A hoodie is streetwear. So much for being the first at streetwear. It’s okay though because we have entered the bio medical field by sending a sample. Can we make a product?