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[newmedman]

...chuckle

The fat cheeto couldn't even pronounce the word "peaceably" without his dentures falling out let alone use it in a sentence.

antifa? LOLOLOL.

we can pronounce 'peaceably', and that's the difference.

[fuagf]

Zardiw, Since Nov, Trump had been stoking the fire with his election fraud lies. There was all that take back our
government incitement. He wanted his mob to stop the election process. Period. That is a fact you ignore.

Fact Check: Did Trump Say to 'Peacefully and Patriotically' March to the Capitol?

By Lauren Giella On 1/14/21 at 3:23 PM EST

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Since the election in November, Trump and many of his allies have touted the unproven claims of mass election fraud. Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr announced in December that the Department of Justice uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election. All of the evidence Trump's team presented to try to prove voter fraud has been dismissed and he lost 61 of the 62 lawsuits filed challenging the presidential election results.

Still, up until the official certification of election results, Trump continued to push this false narrative to his most ardent supporters.
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"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard," Trump said in his speech. "Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for [the] integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period."

The president did mention walking to the Capitol in a peaceful manner. Those who defend the president also point to a call to vote out members of Congress who do not agree with Trump.

"If they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight," Trump said. "You primary them. We're going to let you know who they are."

He also said he and the crowd would "walk down to the Capitol" to "cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women."

"We're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you'll never take back our country with weakness," he said. "You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

However, Trump's call to display strength shows a possible contradiction in Trump's message to his crowd before the certification vote.

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The official impeachment resolution points to the moments before the joint session of Congress to certify the election results, Trump reiterated "false claims that 'we won this election and we won it in a landslide'" and "willfully made statements that, in context, encourages and foreseeably resulted in lawless action at the Capitol." These statements include: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore."

The resolution continues to assert that the crowd was incited by the president to unlawfully breach and vandalize the Capitol, injure and kill law enforcement personnel, menaced members of Congress, Vice President Mike Pence and congressional personnel, "and engage in other violent, deadly, destructive, and seditious acts," in an attempt to "among other objectives" to interfere with the certification of the 2020 Presidential election results.

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Others point to conflicting lines of the speech that seem to suggest a call for the crowd to takes matters into their own hands to correct this injustice through a more active or violent approach:

* "We're gathered together in the heart of our nation's Capitol for one very, very basic and simple reason, to save our democracy."

* "We will not let them silence your voices. We're not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen."

* "Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal."

* "That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved."

* "When you catch somebody in a fraud, you're allowed to go by very different rules."

"Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength....It's all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy and the American people to finally standing up and saying, 'No.' This crowd is again a testament to it."

* "You will have an illegitimate president, that's what you'll have. And we can't let that happen."

* "We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe over the past several weeks. We've amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election."

* "We're going to see whether or not we have great and courageous leaders or whether or not we have leaders that should be ashamed of themselves throughout history, throughout eternity, they'll be ashamed. And you know what? If they do the wrong thing, we should never ever forget that they did. Never forget. We should never ever forget."

While the president's supporters believe that his mention of marching peacefully exonerates him from blame, others believe the context and intention of this and other speeches are enough to prove his guilt and justify impeachment.

After the crowd had infiltrated the Capitol building, Trump took to his now-deleted personal Twitter account to address his supporters.

"I know your pain," Trump said. "I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side, but you have to go home now."

He also urged his supporters to be peaceful and maintain "law and order."

"Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement," he tweeted. "They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!"

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The president did say that the crowd was going to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol. After the attack, Trump said he does not condone violence.

However, it does not necessarily mean the president did not incite violence with the rest of his speech or in his rhetoric prior to January 6.

Investigations into the riot are ongoing.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-trump-say-peacefully-patriotically-march-capitol-1561718

Trump's no mug. He disavowed the violence after inciting it, to get himself off the hook.

[blackhawks]

ANTIFA my ass, those assholes were all RW morons brought to DC by Trump's asinine 'stop the steal' bullshit. Already the gutless, arrested and charged pricks are saying they were following Trump's orders. Good Germans all.

Trump summoned supporters to "wild" protest, and told them to fight. They did

By Steve Holland, Jeff Mason, Jonathan Landay

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-protests/trump-summoned-supporters-to-wild-protest-and-told-them-to-fight-they-did-idUSKBN29B24S

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The chaos in the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday unfolded after President Donald Trump spent weeks whipping up his supporters with false allegations of fraud in the Nov. 3 election, culminating in a call to march to the building that represents U.S. democracy.


Appearing at what could be his last rally as the sitting president, Trump exhorted his supporters “to fight.”

“We will never give up, we will never concede,” Trump said, delighting the crowd by calling Democratic victories the product of what he called “explosions of bullshit.”


Democrats and some Republicans blamed Trump for inciting the violence on Wednesday.

“Today’s violent assault on our Capitol, an effort to subjugate American democracy by mob rule, was fomented by Mr. Trump,” Jim Mattis, a former defense secretary under Trump, said in a statement.

Senator Mitt Romney, a former Republican presidential nominee, called it an “insurrection incited by the president of the United States.”

Weeks have passed since the states completed certifying that Biden won by 306 votes in the Electoral College to Trump’s 232, and Trump’s extraordinary challenges to the result have failed in courts across the country.

Yet Trump’s rally speech on Wednesday was filled with grievances and voter fraud allegations that have not been backed up with evidence.

He singled out several Republican lawmakers for criticism, including Romney and Representative Liz Cheney, while hailing as heroes those who have sided with him to stop the electoral votes from being certified.

Several times he also urged Pence to intervene. But while Trump was still speaking, Pence released a lengthy statement saying he would carry out his constitutional duty to certify the vote.

“It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not,” Pence wrote.

About an hour later he was being escorted from the chamber as a mob tried to break in.

[sortagreen]

"and antifa instigated that shit WAY before that speech even ended....."

So you should want to get to the bottom of this, right?

Good God,you're a moron.

[crossball]

Wow...maybe you best stick with Amanda DD...coming here to the Alley is hurting your standing of understanding....the English language.

[blackhawks]

So is Soylent Green you semiliterate, critical thinking impaired, conspiracy theory mongering jackass.

Godernment is PEOPLE........lol

Gee, who knew that ANTIFA's escape and evasion skills were so superior to those of the hundreds of assholes arrested and charged? Guess all those militia drills couldn't compensate for the stupidity of cell phone video selfies and travel records.

and antifa instigated that shit WAY before that speech even ended.....