If you read the updated info sent by IE BioAmber hasn’t been using others they are using their own invention . That more than likely is why they were able to be profitable in the 4th quarter as per the financials last BioAmber was not liquidated for 4.3 million dollars. BioSuccinic Acid will be produced again in Sarnia . I am just waiting patiently for all the facts to understand better what is STILL evolving with the eventual startup of production at the Sarnia plant.