Replies to post #372450 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[blackhawks]

If you check past cdc numbers they had 6% as a covid rate and it recently dropped to 5% just over 27,500

Now WTF does that mean?

You can deny that over 500K have died all you like, but you can't come up with credible evidence that it is not so.

[DragonBear]

The 500k plus number is constantly thrown out as to covid deaths.

Yes, 500K+ have died from Covid. And indeed co-morbidities contribute.

If you check past cdc numbers they had 6% as a covid rate and it recently dropped to 5% a just over 27,500

The least you can do is to give us a hint as what you mean by "covid rate". Where both 6% and 27,500 are metrics with no context.

If one is "trying" to reference Covid infection rate in the population which is 4.1%, then yes one would expect it to go down as vaccinations went up.

If one is "trying" to say the death rate from Covid is dropping, then that too is expected. As the 65+ who were dying from Covid are now having mild Covid cases due to being vaccinated.

Other than these two examples unclear WTH you are talking about.

Cdc has directed that covid be listed as a direct contributor even if only suspected.

When a person has a positive PCR, there is no "suspecting".

There are financial motive to induce that decision not just political.

I call BS on that. Provide a link with the CDC receiving a kickback from hospitals. Because they listed cause of death as Covid.

[stock_observer_77]

I think I see what you are saying

Most deaths are from elderly age groups with existing health conditions. When these people got Covid it was indicated as that was the cause of death. If it wasn’t for Covid they would survive longer.

I have a sister who has had diabetes all her life and would likely not survive if she got Covid . She also would likely not survive pneumonia or other type of other illnesses.

So I assume that’s what you mean.

[fuagf]

stockmule, Junk video by John Cullen. The video in early text moans 'what happened to trusted media sources' then proceeds to pump piss. already debunked, conspiracy into the public forum. If that's not calculatingly disingenuous, what is.

NSW, one state in Australia, has just had one unsourced covid case discovered and mask are again compulsory indoors in places and on public transport. It's that concern about the virus which has Australian deaths so low. Not a different method of reporting covid death as Cullen's video so dishonestly suggests.

New restrictions now in place for Greater Sydney as second local COVID-19 case reported
By Stuart Marsh • Senior Producer
6:40pm May 6, 2021
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-nsw-health-update-gladys-berejiklian-second-local-case-restrictions-in-place/ea47eb11-a274-4410-8df7-c5944babe37f

The approach you present trolls here are taking toward the virus is dangerously irresponsible. This new outbreak is thanks to an infected US traveler.

Personally i'm about fed up with the bullshit you present three are pushing on this board.

Yes, that is a warning.

Fact check: CDC is not inflating the COVID-19 death count

Rick Rouan
USA TODAY

All links

The claim: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention inflated COVID-19 deaths by more than 1,600%

As the U.S. approaches a dark milestone in the COVID-19 pandemic, conspiracy theories about the counting of deaths from the coronavirus are reemerging.

An October report that claims the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is exaggerating the death count from the virus – now at more than 485,000 – by a factor of more than 16 got new traction on several websites in February.

The report in “Science, Public Health Policy, and The Law,” led by a man who has spread misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines, relies on a debunked claim that the way the CDC requires comorbidity to be reported on death certificates means that many deaths are incorrectly attributed to the virus.

USA TODAY has reached out to the report’s authors for comment.

Fact check: Long-term face mask use will not cause lung cancer
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/16/fact-check-long-term-face-mask-wearing-does-not-cause-lung-cancer/6702733002/

Conspiracy theory about comorbidity stats already debunked

A key piece of the report asks whether a change in the guidance the CDC provided in 2020 on filling out death certificates would have changed the number of deaths attributed to COVID-19.

Fact checks already have debunked claims that the CDC was exaggerating death statistics after it released new data last summer on comorbidity, defined by the CDC as the existence of more than one disease or condition in a person at the same time.

The CDC’s data on comorbidity at the time was incorrectly interpreted by those who claimed it showed COVID-19 was not the cause of death in the 94% of cases in which more than one cause also was listed.

Fact check: CDC's data on COVID-19 deaths used incorrectly in misleading claims
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/01/fact-check-cdcs-data-covid-19-deaths-used-misleading-claims/5681686002/

Comorbidities can be chronic conditions a person can live with, such as diabetes or arthritis. While those conditions could contribute to a person’s death, their existence doesn’t mean COVID-19 wasn’t the cause of death.

Six in 10 U.S. adults have a chronic disease, according to the CDC, and four in 10 have more than one.

Experts, including Dr. Anthony Fauci and the World Health Organization, have said that COVID-19 deaths likely are undercounted.

CDC spokeswoman Jasmine Reed wrote in an email that the number of COVID-19 deaths would not be substantially different under previous guidance issued in 2003.

Both the old and new guidelines put "an emphasis on the importance of reporting a logical causal sequence ... beginning with the immediate cause and working back to the underlying cause (the disease or injury that initiates the chain of events leading to death)," she said.

In most cases, the sequence "has multiple links" in the chain of events that lead to death, she said. Comorbidities often are reported on death certificates as complications related to the underlying cause of death or as contributing factors.

Fact check: Masks encouraged on federal lands if distancing isn't possible
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/16/fact-check-cdc-not-inflating-covid-19-deaths/6764078002/

VIDEO

Report linked to anti-vaccine movement

While online posts about the report say it was a peer-reviewed study, the journal in which it was published, “Science, Public Health Policy, and The Law,” did not show up in rankings designed to measure how often journals are cited or used.

That publication’s website lists James Lyons-Weiler as its editor. Lyons-Weiler is the chief executive of the publication’s parent, the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge, which has ties to the anti-vaccine movement.

Lyons-Weiler pushed false information about adverse effects from Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine in a PA Medical Freedom news conference in 2020, according to PolitiFact.

The report also cites other groups involved in the anti-vaccine movement, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense, for which several of the study’s 10 authors have written a report. Kennedy recently was banned from Instagram for promoting misinformation about vaccines, according to The Associated Press.

Fact check: Not likely that COVID-19 vaccine was cause of Hank Aaron's death

The background of the report's 10 authors includes a naturopathic physician and a chemical engineer with a focus on climate, among others. Though it lists affiliations for the authors, it does not show specific credentials.
Our rating: False

The claim that the CDC inflated COVID-19 deaths by more than 1,600% is FALSE, based on research. Previous fact checks have debunked a claim that the CDC was exaggerating death statistics after it released new data about comorbidity in 2020. The report cited by several online outlets has several links to the anti-vaccine movement, and the publication that printed it did not show up in rankings of journals.

Our fact-check sources:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, accessed Feb.16, "United States COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by State"
PolitiFact, Dec. 18, 2020, "Video shared on Facebook inflates risk of Moderna vaccine 40-fold"
USA TODAY, Sept. 1, 2020, "Fact check: CDC's data on COVID-19 deaths used incorrectly in misleading claims"
Reuters, Sept. 3, 2020, "Fact check: 94% of individuals with additional causes of death still had COVID-19"
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, accessed Feb. 16, "Chronic Diseases in America"
Web of Science Group, accessed Feb. 16, "Master Journal List"
Scimago Institutions Rankings, accessed Feb. 16, "Scimago Journal & Country Rank"
National Public Radio, May 13, 2020, "Fauci Says U.S. Death Toll Is Likely Higher. Other COVID-19 Stats Need Adjusting, Too"
CNBC, Sept. 28, 2020, "Official coronavirus death toll is likely an ‘underestimate’ of the true total, WHO says"
USA TODAY, April 17, 2020, "Fact check: Is US coronavirus death toll inflated? Experts agree it's likely the opposite"
Science, Public Heath Policy, and the Law, accessed Feb. 16, Editorial Board
The Associated Press, Feb. 11, "RFK Jr. kicked off Instagram for vaccine misinformation"
American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, accessed Feb. 16, Paul Anderson biography
Climate Change Truth, accessed Feb. 16, Dave White biography

Thank you for supporting our journalism. You can subscribe to our print edition, ad-free app or electronic newspaper replica here.

Our fact check work is supported in part by a grant from Facebook.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/16/fact-check-cdc-not-inflating-covid-19-deaths/6764078002/

[fuagf]

stockmule, This is the ill-judged-juvenile sort of thought your garbage is encouraging

Lisa Anderson
1 week ago

I knew something was up when I saw H. Clinton wearing a VOTE mask in February-March 2020, and they pushed so hard for vote by mail...8 months before the election. I wondered, how do people know CV will be here for months and months?

BidenIsA ChinesePuppet
1 week ago
Daily reminder: The 2020 Presidential Election was stolen through unconstitutional changes to voting laws in multiple states under the guise of an overblown pandemic.

Those are two comments to the fucked-up video you posted ..

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