Replies to post #676574 on Fannie Mae (FNMA)

[stockprofitter]

Warrants are dead and will not be excersized. As judge Sweeney cited you can’t have your cake and it eat it too.

And the government is well aware that there will be mega lawsuits including class action suits if they stupidly excersized them. I’m sure an injunction would be immediately filed which would lock up those warrants for years and years in the courts and would also prevent new money from coming into the companies. Been down this road personally and I can guarantee you that there will be no warrants as the new money will not approve of this overhang prior to investing billions of dollars if need be.

Better question is 9 years later and warrants have not been excersized. Any reason why it has taken so long to excersize?

Ready, set, go.

[kthomp19]

Companies now have $45 Billion retained earnings, $35 Billion from the Treasury, $35 Billion from JPS conversion, $115 Billion total.

Each of these numbers is incorrect. Instead of $45B/$35B/$35B/$115B, the correct numbers are -$4B/$0/$33B/$29B.

1) The exit threshold in the letter agreement is CET1 capital equal to 3% of adjusted total assets (roughly 104% of balance sheet assets). Therefore you should be paying attention to CET1 capital, not book equity value. Cells O10 and O21 show that FnF's combined CET1 capital right now is around -$4M. That's the starting point.
Link to photo on Twitter.
2) The overpayment is $29B, not $35B, and the Collins plaintiffs want Treasury to return it as a tax credit, not cash. See page 29 of their en banc brief: "Plaintiffs’ proposed remedy would only require accounting entries on the books of Treasury and the Companies; it could be accomplished without any money changing hands." That tax credit would count only around $4B per year, but wouldn't immediately add to capital at all.
3) Converting the juniors to commons adds $33B to CET1 capital, not $35B.
4) Thus the total is only $29B of CET1 capital if the seniors were cancelled or converted to commons right now.

Let's say capital is raised two years from now. FnF will make $40B in that time (using historical earnings rates; the past few quarters have been outliers as Tim Howard explained here) and get $8B worth of tax credits. That puts CET1 capital at $77B on March 31 2023.

The same image above shows the 3% CET1 requirement: $212.5B (add cells H10 and H21) on March 31 2021, and $252.5B on March 31 2023 because FnF's assets have gone up around 9% per year. That leaves $175.5B to raise (not even possible under the current letter agreement) but the new investors would demand at a minimum $175.5B/$252.5B = 69.5% of the shares.

With 1.8B existing commons, 7.2B warrant shares, and 11B shares from the converted juniors ($33B total par value / $3 conversion price), the new investors would have to get 45.6B more shares to have 69.5% of the total.

With $22B of earnings in 2023 (grossed up from $20B now) and a P/E of 10 or so (Tim Howard said before cship FnF traded at a P/E about 40% lower than the rest of the sector), that's a market cap of $220B. Divide by 65.6B total shares and the share price comes out to $3.35.



If you go through these numbers with a capital raise on March 31 2025 instead, you get a capital raise of $175B, 68B total shares, a market cap of $261.4B, and a share price of $3.84.

The key takeaway here is that FnF's capital requirements are rising just as fast as they can retain earnings. Waiting longer to raise capital isn't going to reduce the size of the capital raise at all. The Twitter thread I linked to above explains why.

[Chaser13]

LOL, sell your Ps. Haven't you heard? everyone's doing it cause it's a Quagmire trade with a capital Q

[ano]

not sure how you came to the numbers you mention, Fannie has $120.836M in its book as SPS when those are declared paid, that number will be added to the current $30B shareholders’ equity, so after SCOTUS they hold $150B in capital excluding Q2, Q3 and Q4, excluding the overpayment, excluding interest, excluding other relief

[Brooge warrants cancelled]

is this a serious post?

[Hey_Its_That_Guy]

But why do you think the warrants can occur. Those were set up incase of default. Nullifying of the NWS and using payments to pay that down dissolves the warrants.

[chessmaster315]

No.

You posted:

....so the preferred are now at par + 5 years of dividends.

You "forget" to mention the preferreds are non cumulative preferreds and get preference "only on the current quarter dividend".

The preferreds dont get retro dividends, its prohibited because they are non cumulative.

[EternalPatience]

LoL

This guy has been crapping this theory for a while now. Look at the post from May 21. I am sure I can go back to 16 or 17 or 2018 to see the same sputtering