Da Kline 17. Seriously. I thought actually you just might have understood the message that we really have covered all of what you have. Of course it never hurts to have it mentioned again, but not big servings of force-feeding as you have done since you arrived. If you want to chat about something why not search the board and reply with a comment to one of the links you find. I think free members as you have the ability to search the board.
We all know of Eisenhower's warning. And of JFK's comments. It's just a waste of time to continue to discuss some things on a board as this. E.g.
One JFK conspiracy theory that could be true By Thom Patterson, CNN Updated 1608 GMT (0008 HKT) November 18, 2013 [...] 5. "The CIA did it" This is the conspiracy theory that interests Perry the most. "The problem is, of all of them, this is one I can't debunk," he laughs. P - "Supposedly Kennedy was fed up with the shenanigans that the CIA was pulling," Perry said. "He found out the CIA was trying to kill (Cuban leader Fidel) Castro, which is a fact. So the argument is that the CIA felt that Kennedy was going to disband them. And as a result of that, they were the ones that ordered the killing of Kennedy." P - Perry points out that a former head of the CIA, Allen Dulles, was a member of the Warren Commission, the special Johnson-appointed panel tasked with the official investigation of the assassination. The commission determined that Oswald acted alone. P - Oswald was a supporter of Soviet-backed Cuba. P - "We know Oswald was in the Russian embassy in Mexico City," Perry said. "We even know who he talked to. But we don't know what was said. Then a few weeks later, he shoots Kennedy." P - "It may have been something that they overheard involving him and the Russians. Or, maybe the CIA had Oswald on the payroll. He might have been a double agent." P - Is it possible that Russians ordered Oswald to do it? P - Not likely, said Perry. The Russians would never have ordered Oswald to kill Kennedy because of his well-known links to Russia and his pro-Cuban sympathies. Russia's leaders knew they would have been the first suspects if they'd engineered an assassination by Oswald. It would have been an act of war, which could have triggered a nuclear attack. P - "We need to know what happened in Mexico City," Perry said. P - The answer, he said, may be contained in still-classified CIA documents. The U.S. National Archives currently holds a number of unreleased CIA documents related to the assassination. Those papers are scheduled to be made public in 2017 as part of the 1992 Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act. P - "CIA has followed the provisions of the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act, and the National Archives has all of the agency's documents and files on the Kennedy assassination," said CIA spokesman Edward Price. "The classified information contained in the files remains subject to the declassification provisions of the Act." P - So, either we already know the truth, Oswald acted alone, or -- worst-case scenario -- we may never know the whole truth, prompting one more question surrounding the killing of JFK: Would America be OK with that? Five things you might not know about JFK's assassination http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/14/us/jfk-assassination-5-things/index.html JFK assassination a collective memory for American children http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/19/living/jfk-assassination-memories-irpt/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/16/us/jfk-assassination-conspiracy-theories-debunked/index.html
There are millions in America and around the world keeping their eyes on excesses and dangers to democracy. There are people in your congress who don't want America to go down the authoritarian sink-hole. Trump on the other hand admired leaders as Putin and Duterte and Orban et al. Trump would have loved a 2nd term in which he could taken America much farther along the road to being more of a autocracy.
Misinformation is the sort of thing which is more interesting and of more concern.
May 20, 2020 2:00 AM Updated 10 months ago
False claim: JFK warned about a plot to enslave Americans seven days before his assassination
By Reuters Staff
Reuters Fact Check. REUTERS/Axel Schmidt
Update May 21, 2020: This article has been updated to reflect that disclose.tv has since added information from this check to the discussion thread.
Posts shared widely on Facebook claim that President John F. Kennedy said, “There’s a plot in this country to enslave every man, woman and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot”, one week before he was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald on November 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas. This quote appears to be fabricated. Reuters found no evidence Kennedy ever said this.
The JFK Presidential Library confirmed to Reuters via email they are unaware of this quote existing in any of their records.
VERDICT
False. There is no evidence to suggest that seven days prior to his assassination John F. Kennedy warned about a plot to enslave all Americans, which he promised to expose before leaving office.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts? ?here ?.?
That isn't exactly your "When JFK said we are opposed by a “monolithic and ruthless conspiracy” do you believe it just faded away after his death?", still it's on a similar line.
The Education of Bob Baer .. Unlearning the CIA By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM [all emphasis mine] When I first met ex-CIA officer Bob Baer in Washington DC, I thought, The guy looks nothing like George Clooney. But Clooney, who won an Academy Award playing Baer in the film Syriana, had in fact captured something about the posture, the pathos, the weariness of a CIA man who spends too many years getting filthy in the field – in the peculiar mire of the Middle East, no less – risking his life and being ignored for it. Clooney in the film cycles among the suits at Langley, the cubicled bureaucracy, looking somewhat like the only sane man in a mental ward. P - So it was with Bob Baer in DC – unfamiliar ground, “a city of crazies,” he said. He was heading back home, out west, to the little mountain village of Silverton, and when I met him there a few months later, he took me on the big tour. Silverton is a mining outpost turned tourist stop, but it still resonates with the dissident manners of men who dig silver out of the ground looking for paydirt and don’t like the authorities interfering. The town is accessed by high passes where tractor trailers regularly fall off the cliffs in winter, and it has only one paved road, Main Street, and it has a church with upside-down crosses. Several residents – so Baer assured me – are licensed to own fully-automatic machineguns. “It’s to shoot at the black helicopters,” he laughed but didn’t seem to be joking. The locals tell me the place has a tendency to welcome “people who messed up in some other life and come here to be nobody.” I think Bob Baer came here partly because the CIA claimed he messed up. Maybe he did. Depends on who you talk to in this business, which is as it should be among professional liars. [...] In 1976, the same year that Baer, bright-eyed and enamored, joined the Agency, a clandestine services veteran named John Stockwell, chief in the CIA’s disastrous Angola venture in the 1970s, prepared a series of investigative memoirs very much along the lines of the books Baer would write a quarter-century later. What Stockwell had seen as an operative in Africa and across the Third World was a CIA that was purely interventionist – not gathering intelligence, but brutally machinating, vicious, a secret weapon of US presidents and White House policymakers to battle the Soviets for world control. CIA paramilitary operations through proxy forces – the funding of mercenaries, terrorists, saboteurs – were, reported Stockwell, “all illegal,” their goal to “disrupt the normal functioning, often the democratic functioning, of other societies” (a blinding flash of the obvious for readers today). For Stockwell, who would quit the CIA in 1976 to whistleblow before Congress, this “rais[ed] serious questions about the moral responsibility of the United States in the international society of nations.” Secrecy in pursuit of the mercurial thing called “national security,” he wrote, had given license to amorality that issued from the highest rungs of government: “The major function of secrecy in Washington is to keep the U.S. people and U.S. Congress from knowing what the nation's leaders are doing,” he wrote. “Secrecy is power. Secrecy covers up mistakes. Secrecy covers up corruption.” And in the CIA, he concluded, “a profound, arrogant, moral corruption set in.” Ex-CIA analyst Chalmers Johnson came to a similar conclusion: “Every president since Truman, once he discovered that he had a totally secret, financially unaccountable private army at his personal disposal found its deployment irresistible.” P - By the mid-1970s, however, the veil was torn wide. Congress under the direction of Sen. Frank Church in 1975-76 issued a devastating series of reports on the criminality of the agency. The CIA had sponsored coups and fixed elections in Greece, Italy, Burma, Indonesia and dozens of other nations. It had smuggled Nazi war criminals out of Germany to fight communism in Eastern Europe; it worked arm in arm with narcotics traffickers in Asia, Europe, the Middle East (and always seemed to leave behind a thriving drug nexus wherever it intervened); it supplied security forces worldwide with torture equipment, torture manuals, torture training. In Vietnam, its massive Saigon Station oversaw the kidnapping and killing of tens of thousands of suspected Vietcong, many of them innocents, doing a good job of turning the peasant population against the US. The rot came out almost daily as the Church Committee dug it up. By the late 1970s, the CIA had planned or carried out the assassination of leaders in more than a dozen countries; CIA jokers called this “suicide involuntarily administered,” courtesy of the Agency’s “Health Alteration Committee.” The agency’s work disrupting governments was often in service of corporations with close ties to Congress and the White House and whose business interests were threatened by anything that smelled of socialism. The agency had been busy too on the homefront, in violation of domestic law, overseeing mind control programs in which unwitting Americans were poisoned with drugs, experimented upon, effectively tortured; opening the mail of US citizens; surveilling the political activity of Americans; infiltrating the media with disinformation; lying habitually to elected officials. The CIA appeared in this light as a threat to the republic itself. P - Not much of this perturbed young Bob Baer, who was finishing his senior year at Georgetown as the Church revelations splashed across the front pages of the Washington Post and New York Times. “I was left with the impression,” he wrote in his memoir, “that behind the dirt there must be some deep, dark, impenetrable mystery – a forbidden knowledge.” Sojourning with his mother across Europe had given him a “romantic view of the world,” and the CIA, he said, “seemed for a moment like romance itself.” *** Historians will argue the point, but in the wake of the Church hearings a kind of reform fell over the agency, certainly a scaling back of covert action that heralded the end of what nostalgics might call the heroic age of free-wheeling interventionism – though the reform didn’t last. Baer matured as a field officer under the new dispensation, tasked to do what the CIA claimed it now wanted from the clandestine services: Not to disrupt or destabilize or assassinate – presidential directive 12333, issued in 1981, explicitly prohibited CIA assassinations – but to listen, speak the language, gather sources, stay quiet with an ear to the ground, know your host country, the critical issues, the people and players, learn the streets of the city where you’re posted, disappear into the fabric of the society. Learn to move like fog. Any case officer will tell you this is a lot harder than it sounds. CIA officers who worked with Baer tell me he excelled at it wherever he went, in Beirut in the 1980s, in the disaster of Iraq post-Gulf War I, in Khartoum tracking terrorists, in Tajikistan as station chief, in Sarajevo during the Yugoslav wars, in Paris working cocktail parties. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=60215813
You say "What if it’s much worse than you think?" I have no idea how bad it is. We do know how bad it has been and how good it has been too.
The world is not ordered, as you would suggest it to be. The world is more chaos than order. Nobody knows all of what is going on.
This post is to lxCimi, a confirmed sovereign citizen who saw all of us as relatively uninformed too.
It's a long while since we played dominoes, and neither of us remembers much about the rules, but it has been interesting to see commentators polish up the Vietnam-era metaphor of the 'Domino Effect' to describe what has been happening in financial markets in recent weeks. Turn to Wikipedia to find a definition of the Domino Effect, and it suggests that it is "a simple chain reaction that occurs when a small change causes a similar change nearby, which then will cause another similar change, and so on in linear sequence". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_Effect
This suggests a flaw in the metaphor as currently used: the financial crisis—and several other challenges we now face—are non-linear. Maybe the appropriate metaphor for the moment lies in Chaos Theory instead. Relying on Wikipedia again, we are reminded that while the behavior of chaotic systems appears to be random, their dynamics are “fully defined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
nope, dominoes are all the same .. while we aren't .. it's just globalization .. interconnectivity .. shysters and murderers and warmongers and lying shits .. that's all, it's easy .. dominoes all look the same, none feel, and they all fall the same .. we do things differently .. just thought of that, never was attracted to domino theories, maybe that's why http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=28529215
Indymac, Wamu, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Merrill Lynch did not all fall the same.
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