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IPwatcher

11/25/20 7:08 PM

#93010 RE: vinovista #92997

I respectfully disagree:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-vaccines-moderna-transmission-rates-b1761236.html

But the company’s top doctor has now warned this news doesn’t necessarily mean those who are vaccinated will be unable to transmit the virus to the unvaccinated.



That statement is inconclusive.

adding the public should not “over-interpret the results” of the vaccine yet.

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This statement says that we do not have data/evidence one way or the other with which to determine whether vaccinated persons can spread the virus, and if they can, on what their propensity to do so is, relative to unvaccinated persions. And that is why the prior statement is inconclusive. Insufficient data to support the conclusion (that vaccibation prevents spread) as yet!



Whereas you said:

the vaccine doesn't restrict spread.


BY contrast, YOUR statement is conclusive. BUT There is NO EVIDENCE which supports the conclusion you have reached. Or do you (alone in the world?) have access to data which shows that vaccinated individuals have an equal or greater propensity to spread Covid 19 to others than unvaccinated persons? Because unless and until you do (and present it), your conclusion above is fallacious!

Nothing in any of this relates to the need (or otherwise) for continued testing.
The fact of the matter there is this: Once sufficent vaccine has been routinely and widely available, then (except in a small number of cases where specific medical contraindication exist) people will have had the choice to be vaccinated or not.
If people decline the vaccine and I (after enthusiastically accepting the vaccine) subsequently somehow infect them with Covid that I suffer asymptomatically (because the vaccine works to prevent the illness!), ... well that's just tough! I see that is a self inflicted injury on their part! I am not going to subject myself to the expense or inconvenience of ongoing and repeated testing for the benefit of refuseniks and flat earthers. Why should I? That is their own look out!
Obviously I would take appropriate care to try and avoid infecting those (very few) precluded from the vaccine by virtue of genuine medical contraindications. Social distancing and similar precautions will suffice there! Testing adds nothing.
But the vaccination skeptics? They can roll the dice and take their chances! I am not testing myself for their benefit!
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Timetravelerdos

11/25/20 7:31 PM

#93012 RE: vinovista #92997

100% correct! No one is saying vaccines don’t work. But they are not 100%. That is exactly what the article was saying that I had posted. You can never vaccinate 100% of the population. You need both vaccines and testing one helps the other. I understand some people totally dislike DECN or they want it to go down so they can buy more. But take DECN out of this discussion and we all agree testing is needed across the United States and the world. If there was no testing people would not know what Coved 19 is and they would never be able to develop a vaccine!!!!!!!