It will never be sub penny unless they get in bed with the convertible crews.All these years public and only 35 mil OS,they awarded themselves options and I believe that was a sign of how they thought the future of the company was going.They also made deals for capital with certain affiliates that no convertible note slinger would do such as fixed pricing.So with that said,this is a company with manufacturing capabilities,patents and distribution channels with a GSA.I'm cool here