fwiw..I Posted info that seemed to point to Dell. I never said that it was Dell..and I was the FIRST to post the article that had Apple reps stating it was a re-branded Creative player. Up to this point Creative (as far as I know)was not selling it's devices under other brand names. Sometimes dots, as in the case of Hewlett Packard and the head-set, do connect..sometimes they don't. Based on Dell's "low pricing" of the Axiom to Wistron (three other companies that bid pulled out), I would think they reached a similar deal with Creative. I also noted that I did not think it was Dell due to their use of a 15gb hdd. Someone had discussed that we are using Hitachi 1.8" ..they are available (to the best of my knowledge) in 20 and 40 gb only.