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TarheelBuyer

08/08/19 8:48 AM

#110410 RE: stervc #110407

STICKY this...FACTUAL post here

Stervc, since you started posting here it’s been well documented the thoughts & position you have taken in regards to a R/S. If one reads this in-depth, descriptive explanation of all of this, then any thoughts of something OTHER than no R/S will be extinguished

THANKS again for taking time to post FACTS not FIBS on the board

StocksGoneWild

08/08/19 8:50 AM

#110411 RE: stervc #110407

Wow...best post I've read here...ever. So spot on. Well done! Thank you.
$VYST$

GiFi

08/08/19 8:52 AM

#110412 RE: stervc #110407

Monster post and why I am here. It is all in the filings that most either chose to ignore or simply have not read thoroughly. Dollars are truly coming.

Catpole

08/08/19 8:53 AM

#110413 RE: stervc #110407

Excellent analysis Stervc! I agree with calculations and the very reason I am holding long. Thanks for your good work! Now we see the reactions from the negative Nancy’s! LOL!

Wellwhatdoyaknow

08/08/19 8:55 AM

#110414 RE: stervc #110407

Excellent post stervc! Thank you sir!

Wellwhatdoyaknow

08/08/19 8:58 AM

#110415 RE: stervc #110407

Let's get this stickied and much coin thrown it's way pls everyone!!

thx again stervc.

Stiggie

08/08/19 8:59 AM

#110416 RE: stervc #110407

Superb post!

Hold and accumulate for gold.

$VYST

drum3171

08/08/19 9:11 AM

#110425 RE: stervc #110407

Thank you your awesomely detailed posts. Question, where do you think the EMA shares fits into this? How do you think that whole situation will play out? TIA

TenKay

08/08/19 9:15 AM

#110427 RE: stervc #110407

First, the company Form 4’s show the total current ownership amongst the Officers, Directors and Affiliates at a little over 110 million shares. We also know that Greg and Jamie have about 53 million shares assuming they weren’t the ones selling the last couple of weeks. There are no 5% owners beyond the Directors, Officers and Affiliates. How you get to 800 million is beyond me.

Second, if an “insider” exchanges their common stock for preferred stock that is NOT a buyback. The equity of the company is not reduced. It is simply a shell game. When stinkie pinkies do such a “swap” the prefs are almost always convertible at some discount. So while the OS may decrease in the short term dilution potential to the stock goes up...usually beyond what the OS was prior to the swap because of the discount. But common holders have no increased claim to the assets as they would in a buyback.

And the 15% margin is highly unlikely. Rotman’s was valued at $3.5 million in the acquisition...that strongly suggests the company is not that profitable if they are at all.

stervc

08/08/19 9:29 AM

#110445 RE: stervc #110407

Typo: $400,000 should be $4,000,000

doogdilinger

08/08/19 9:32 AM

#110447 RE: stervc #110407

ABSOLUTELY MONSTER post thank you sterling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Folks going to fully recognize/realize soon what kind of an incredible burgeoning BEAST VYST's executive mgmt. roster is finally & fully prepared to unleash over the VERY near term horizon after the past several quarters of final stage R&D and foundation building is officially completing choo-choo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigBadWolf

08/08/19 9:47 AM

#110459 RE: stervc #110407

Re-post worthy #informative #probabilities https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=150394559

thanks Sterling

trader59

08/08/19 9:48 AM

#110461 RE: stervc #110407

LOL!!

Sorry, but this is all a fairy tale. When you start from "thoughts" that are flawed to begin with and heavily biased towards pushing up the PPS, then add on more heavily biased speculative scenarios, you wind up so far from being factual about anything that everything in the entire story should be dismissed.

There's no such thing as a "buy back" done by "insiders" gifting themselves preferred shares for their holdings of commons. In the OTC, using the term "buy back" in a transaction like that should set off every alarm there is for investors as the folks in control are absolutely not going to do things that are not beneficial to themselves and at the expense of those who aren't getting the same deal. If I ever saw something like that foisted by the company, especially one with an approved RS on the shelf ready to use, I'd be looking hard at the terms of those preferred and would expect them to be unaffected by the RS, essentially multiplying their value.

Where does stuff like this come from, anyway? There's not even a sliver of information from this SEC reporting company that hints at any credibility to this fairy tale scenario.

Sorry, but that is all just made up.

MTLTrader

08/08/19 9:58 AM

#110467 RE: stervc #110407

Great post once again.
My only concern is that you claim that insiders own around 75% of shares. I think this was true in December when OS was around 400 millions, but what makes you think it is still true now? It cant be insiders, otherwise we would have seen it in the forms 4. And it cannot be Greg and Jamie either, otherwise they would have filed a form 4 as 5% shareholders.
Do you think insiders' FRIENDS bought 75% of the approx 600 million shares issued this year?

MillionaireSeeker

08/08/19 10:00 AM

#110469 RE: stervc #110407

Thanks Stervc

cjstocksup

08/08/19 11:08 AM

#110542 RE: stervc #110407

Nice VYST news today and nice DD here in this post below.

VYST Plan to Reduce OS & Add Huge Valuation…

Before you read this post, understand that these are thoughts that I touched on a good while back as some food for thought for what I believe is the best course of action for VYST to take as a team. Now, I believe that Steve Rotman, the CEO of VYST and his team are doing something similar or exactly as I had previously believed they would do.

I think with the share buyback, people are presuming that ”money” is going to be the ”medium of exchange” to execute a share buyback. I believe the company is going to use a ”newly created special class” of ”preferred shares” as the ”medium of exchange” to buyback shares from the Insiders. I say this because of where I believe the shares to be bought would be coming from… the Insiders.

Below is the VYST 8-K that reflects that they are going to create two separate classes of preferred shares to have a total of three separate classes of preferred shares:
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001308027&owner=exclude&count=40
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1308027/000138713119005223/vyst-8k_071919.htm

This further leads me to think that those preferred shares were created to be used as the ”medium of exchange” for purchasing common shares from the Insiders to eliminate a huge amount of shares from the Outstanding Shares (OS); therefore significantly reducing the OS. After reviewing this earlier post below, I believe that there is a good chance that Insiders own somewhere in the area of 75% of the OS:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=150289912

I believe that the OS for VYST is still under 1.1 billion shares. So, as a worst-case scenario, 75% of 1,100,000,000 shares would equate to approximately 800,000,000 shares (rounded) to be bought from Insiders. This would reduce the OS for VYST down to approximately 300 million shares as calculated below:

1,100,000,000 shares – 800,000,000 shares = 300,000,000 shares for VYST OS

So, let’s presume that the Insiders own roughly 800 million shares. Let’s presume that Steve Rotman and his team of VYST agrees to use 8 million shares of preferred shares as the ”medium of exchange” to buy the 800 million shares of VYST owned by Insiders. So…

800,000,000 Common Shares = 8,000,000 Preferred Shares

Let’s presume that they give the 8 million preferred shares the right to be converted into common shares on a 1 for 1 basis to be issued after VYST goes to trading on the NASDAQ like how they stated such within the PR below:
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/VYST/news/story?e&id=1398911

This means that they can take the 800,000,000 shares and then retire them to then take the OS down from slightly over a billion shares to then being approximately 300,000,000 shares.

So, why would the Insiders be willing to have their 800,000,000 shares exchanged for 8 million preferred shares to later be converted into common after they get to the NASDAQ? Because this will significantly reduce the OS and this is what helps to better position VYST for growth since the lower the OS, the greater the valuation for VYST. This would greatly contribute towards VYST trading in the dollars while not needing to do a reverse split. If the Insiders were to do nothing and keep their 800,000,000 shares, at .025 per share, the value of those shares would be $20,000,000 in value. Also, I’m sure that the Insiders of VYST do not need these shares to provide for them food, clothing, or shelter. I believe they are well off enough to where the money that would be made from their VYST shares could be put off to later to give the company a chance to grow even more to provide more value to their investment. If those 8,000,000 shares of preferred are converted into common on a 1 for 1 basis later after VYST is trading on the NASDAQ with meeting its minimum bid price requirement of $4.00 per share, that would mean at least $32,000,000 in value. That’s an extra $12 million in valued added collectively for the Insiders.

For the average investor, let’s say that you owned 1,000,000 shares of VYST. At the price of .025 per share, that’s $25,000 in value.

After this process of the share reduction takes place and VYST gets to the NASDAQ, your 1,000,000 shares of VYST would be worth a minimum of $400,000 in value. This would be after VYST getting to the NASDAQ by meeting the $4.00 per share minimum bid requirement

Let’s talk VYST Valuation:

I believe that the Rotmans Furniture acquisition has made VYST very profitable, How much profitable? None of us know right know, but I believe we will know soon enough. So, for now, I’m going to speculate on what I believe a valuation for VYST would look like. If for any reason any of the variables that I will consider below changes, then use the Substitute Property to replace any variable with that “known” variable. These are the key variables below as I believe they will exist although they should be considered speculative in nature as the exact or finite variables are still unknown for now:

VYST Key Variables
** $35,000,000 Revenues
** 50% Gross Profit Margin
** 15% Net Profit Margin
** PE Ratio for the Furniture Industry is 36.53:
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile/pedata.html
** $18.6 Tax NOL – See Page 11
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1308027/000138713118001267/vyst-10k_123117.htm

Tax NOL Deduction Key Notes to Understand
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p536#en_US_2018_publink1000177329
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p536
https://www.upcounsel.com/irs-corporate-tax-rate-schedule

** The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), section 13302, eliminated the option for most taxpayers to carry back a Net Operating Loss (NOL) unless certain farming stipulations of which do not apply here with VYST.

** Any unused NOL amounts may be carried forward and deducted in any number of future years under the TCJA.

** The TCJA permits taxpayers to deduct NOLs only up to 80% of Taxable Income for the year.

** With the passage of TCJA, corporate tax rate is 21%.

** Taxable Income for a corporation is Gross Income.

** VYST Gross Income/Taxable Income = $35M x 50% Gross Profit Margin = $17.5M

** VYST Taxable Income = $17,500,000 Gross Income

** 80% NOL Deduction (per TCJA) of $17.5M = $14,000,000 NOL Deduction

** VYST Net Income = $35M x 15% Net Profit Margin = $5,250,000 Net Income

** VYST Corporate Tax would be 21% of $35M = $7,350,000 to pay in Corporate Taxes

** VYST has up to $14,000,000 as their “max” NOL Deduction to be applied for the year, but they only need to have enough applied to cover their $7,350,000 in Corporate Taxes which would go back into enhancing their profits.

** This means that after applying the NOL for VYST, their Net Income should change to reflect somewhere in the area of $5,250,000 + $7,350,000 = $12,600,000 Adjusted Net Income.

** This means that if the NOL remains at $18.6 Million and the revenues remain constant at worst for the next 3 years, then the NOL deductions would be as follow; Year 1 would utilize $7,350,000, Year 2 would utilize $7,350,000, and Year 3 would utilize $3,900,000.

As for a share price valuation, I think I’m going to keep this really simple. Per the tweet below, the company’s ”current board” has never had the topic of doing a reverse split ever brought up in their board meetings. This means that the board back in the day back in 2018 put that in their filings as a worst-case scenario back when much was unknown. This means that now that much is now known and have been for a while since the current board has been in place, doing a reverse split has never been a topic of discussion because they know what they have and have no plans to do one:

Quote:





The board believes that VYST will be going to the NASDAQ as we know that this was a topic that was discussed in the board meetings. This means that if a reverse split was ever part of the plans to do, it would have been brought up for discussion on numerous occasions and board meetings in the past and as of late. Instead, it was not brought up once in any of their board meetings regarding the growth of VYST and getting to the NASDAQ. It has been talked about within the forum from numerous people that Greg Rotman believes that the company will get to the NASDAQ while not doing a reverse split. After doing further research, I believe so too.

I believe a simple valuation for VYST is $4.00 per share

Since the NASDAQ requires a $4.00 per share minimum bid price requirement, I believe VYST will at some point in time in the future, meet and exceed the NASDAQ requirements to graduate to trading on the NASDAQ:

Listing Requirements for the Nasdaq
https://listingcenter.nasdaq.com/assets/initialguide.pdf
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/nasdaq-listing-requirements/

In my opinion, those who don’t see it now, will see it later. Sometimes instead of thinking that you must first see it to believe… sometimes it’s the other way around… sometimes you have to first believe it then you will see it.

v/r
Sterling

TTMAR

08/08/19 1:05 PM

#110618 RE: stervc #110407

Thanks for your very informative post. I have a question: When you state that a holder of 1 mil common shares at $4.00 would have 400k, did you really mean 4 million? If there isn't a share consolidation of common shares of 10 for 1 then 4 million would be correct. Did I miss something or did you make an error and the 400k should be 4 million?

Thanks in advance for clarifying.

TarheelBuyer

08/08/19 2:18 PM

#110637 RE: stervc #110407

I learned not today, but long ago here, is you can twist things to suit your narrative because desperation often causes ones mind to be weak & of poor judgement aka thinking

VYST hasn’t delivered the exact way several have thought it should, which cause deep anxiety due to having NO control of the direction of the business plan

It’s no doubt some are swearing others are singing, with the swearing soon to turn into disparity

IMO

tutankhamuns

08/08/19 3:14 PM

#110651 RE: stervc #110407

How do you buyback shares...with shares? Lol

I believe the company is going to use a ”newly created special class” of ”preferred shares” as the ”medium of exchange” to buyback shares from the Insiders.



$VYST

stervc

08/08/19 3:40 PM

#110670 RE: stervc #110407

Edited:VYST Plan to Reduce OS & Add Huge Valuation…

Edited Version 1:

Before you read this post, understand that these are thoughts that I touched on a good while back as some food for thought for what I believe is the best course of action for VYST to take as a team. Now, I believe that Steve Rotman, the CEO of VYST and his team are doing something similar or exactly as I had previously believed they would do.

I think with the share buyback, people are presuming that ”money” is going to be the ”medium of exchange” to execute a share buyback. I believe the company is going to use a ”newly created special class” of ”preferred shares” as the ”medium of exchange” to buyback shares from the Insiders (or friendlies). I say this because of where I believe the shares to be bought would be coming from… the Insiders (or friendlies).

I could term this something different than a buyback as the action might not be officially called a buyback. However, since the end result will have the same effects of reducing the Outstanding Shares (OS) as a buyback would, I choose to call it a buyback to better help investors understand the magnitude of a transaction like such.

Below is the VYST 8-K that reflects that they are going to create two separate classes of preferred shares to have a total of three separate classes of preferred shares:
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001308027&owner=exclude&count=40
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1308027/000138713119005223/vyst-8k_071919.htm

This further leads me to think that those preferred shares were created to be used as the ”medium of exchange” for purchasing common shares from the Insiders (or friendlies) to eliminate a huge amount of shares from the OS; therefore significantly reducing the OS. After reviewing this earlier post below, I believe that there is a good chance that Insiders (or friendlies) own somewhere in the area of 75% of the OS from previous and current purchases:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=150289912

I believe that the OS for VYST is still under 1.1 billion shares. So, as a worst-case scenario, 75% of 1,100,000,000 shares would equate to approximately 800,000,000 shares (rounded) to be bought from Insiders (or friendlies). This would reduce the OS for VYST down to approximately 300 million shares as calculated below:

1,100,000,000 OS shares – 800,000,000 shares = 300,000,000 shares for VYST OS

So, let’s presume that the Insiders (or friendlies) own roughly 800 million shares. Let’s presume that Steve Rotman and his team of VYST agrees to use 8 million shares of preferred shares as the ”medium of exchange” to buy the 800 million shares of VYST owned by Insiders (or friendlies). So…

800,000,000 Common Shares = 8,000,000 Preferred Shares

Let’s presume that they give the 8 million preferred shares the right to be converted into common shares on a 1 for 1 basis to be issued after VYST goes to trading on the NASDAQ like how they stated such within the PR below:
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/VYST/news/story?e&id=1398911

This means that they can take the 800,000,000 shares and then retire them to then take the OS down from slightly over a billion shares to then being approximately 300,000,000 shares.

So, why would the Insiders (or friendlies) be willing to have their 800,000,000 shares exchanged for 8 million preferred shares to later be converted into common after they get to the NASDAQ? Because this will significantly reduce the OS and this is what helps to better position VYST for growth since the lower the OS, the greater the valuation for VYST. This would greatly contribute towards VYST trading in the dollars while not needing to do a reverse split. If the Insiders (or friendlies) were to do nothing and keep their 800,000,000 shares, at .025 per share, the value of those shares would be $20,000,000 in value. Also, I’m sure that the Insiders (or friendlies) of VYST do not need these shares to provide for them food, clothing, or shelter. I believe they are well off enough to where the money that would be made from their VYST shares could be put off to later to give the company a chance to grow even more to provide more value to their investment. If those 8,000,000 shares of preferred are converted into common on a 1 for 1 basis later after VYST is trading on the NASDAQ with meeting its minimum bid price requirement of $4.00 per share, that would mean at least $32,000,000 in value. That’s an extra $12 million in valued added collectively for the Insiders (or friendlies). Or you can give the Insiders (or friendlies) a 1 for 2 conversion ratio which would then be only an added 16,000,000 shares added to the approximately 300,000,000 shares for the OS to give them a value of $64,000,000 for their shares.

For the average investor, let’s say that you owned 1,000,000 shares of VYST. At the price of .025 per share, that’s $25,000 in value.

After this process of the share reduction takes place and VYST gets to the NASDAQ, your 1,000,000 shares of VYST would be worth a minimum of $4,000,000 in value. This would be after VYST getting to the NASDAQ by meeting the $4.00 per share minimum bid requirement

Let’s talk VYST Valuation:

I believe that the Rotmans Furniture acquisition has made VYST very profitable, How much profitable? None of us know right know, but I believe we will know soon enough. So, for now, I’m going to speculate on what I believe a valuation for VYST would look like. If for any reason any of the variables that I will consider below changes, then use the Substitute Property to replace any variable with that “known” variable. These are the key variables below as I believe they will exist although they should be considered speculative in nature as the exact or finite variables are still unknown for now:

VYST Key Variables
** $35,000,000 Revenues
** 50% Gross Profit Margin
** 15% Net Profit Margin
** PE Ratio for the Furniture Industry is 36.53:
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile/pedata.html
** $18.6 Tax NOL – See Page 11
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1308027/000138713118001267/vyst-10k_123117.htm

Tax NOL Deduction Key Notes to Understand
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p536#en_US_2018_publink1000177329
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p536
https://www.upcounsel.com/irs-corporate-tax-rate-schedule

** The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), section 13302, eliminated the option for most taxpayers to carry back a Net Operating Loss (NOL) unless certain farming stipulations of which do not apply here with VYST.

** Any unused NOL amounts may be carried forward and deducted in any number of future years under the TCJA.

** The TCJA permits taxpayers to deduct NOLs only up to 80% of Taxable Income for the year.

** With the passage of TCJA, corporate tax rate is 21%.

** Taxable Income for a corporation is Gross Income.

** VYST Gross Income/Taxable Income = $35M x 50% Gross Profit Margin = $17.5M

** VYST Taxable Income = $17,500,000 Gross Income

** 80% NOL Deduction (per TCJA) of $17.5M = $14,000,000 NOL Deduction

** VYST Net Income = $35M x 15% Net Profit Margin = $5,250,000 Net Income

** VYST Corporate Tax would be 21% of $35M = $7,350,000 to pay in Corporate Taxes

** VYST has up to $14,000,000 as their “max” NOL Deduction to be applied for the year, but they only need to have enough applied to cover their $7,350,000 in Corporate Taxes which would go back into enhancing their profits.

** This means that after applying the NOL for VYST, their Net Income should change to reflect somewhere in the area of $5,250,000 + $7,350,000 = $12,600,000 Adjusted Net Income.

** This means that if the NOL remains at $18.6 Million and the revenues remain constant at worst for the next 3 years, then the NOL deductions would be as follow; Year 1 would utilize $7,350,000, Year 2 would utilize $7,350,000, and Year 3 would utilize $3,900,000.

As for a share price valuation, I think I’m going to keep this really simple. Per the tweet below, the company’s ”current board” has never had the topic of doing a reverse split ever brought up in their board meetings. This means that the board back in the day back in 2018 put that in their filings as a worst-case scenario back when much was unknown. This means that now that much is now known and have been for a while since the current board has been in place, doing a reverse split has never been a topic of discussion because they know what they have and have no plans to do one:

The board believes that VYST will be going to the NASDAQ as we know that this was a topic that was discussed in the board meetings. This means that if a reverse split was ever part of the plans to do, it would have been brought up for discussion on numerous occasions and board meetings in the past and as of late. Instead, it was not brought up once in any of their board meetings regarding the growth of VYST and getting to the NASDAQ. It has been talked about within the forum from numerous people that Greg Rotman believes that the company will get to the NASDAQ while not doing a reverse split. After doing further research, I believe so too.

I believe a simple valuation for VYST is $4.00 per share

Since the NASDAQ requires a $4.00 per share minimum bid price requirement, I believe VYST will at some point in time in the future, meet and exceed the NASDAQ requirements to graduate to trading on the NASDAQ:

Listing Requirements for the Nasdaq
https://listingcenter.nasdaq.com/assets/initialguide.pdf
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/nasdaq-listing-requirements/

In my opinion, those who don’t see it now, will see it later. Sometimes instead of thinking that you must first see it to believe… sometimes it’s the other way around… sometimes you have to first believe it then you will see it.

v/r
Sterling