i ll join into the over 25k range.. $ i really didnt have. i believed.. and i got a lil greedy. i wasnt a good trader.. i was trying to be an investor.. lesson soooooooo learned. i claimed enuff loss for a tax deduction for years and years to come.. and then i still threw a lil more in here after.. “just in case”.. not so smart again. Point is.. never trust the OTC.. in my opinion.