Strongly agree. No question they can cause short term gyrations but I don't think they have anywhere near the degree of control that is sometimes attributed to them.
I am open to any/all hidden forces scenarios but can't string it together sometimes when I see posts about PPT, da-boyz and all this control.
I keep wondering if 'they' have so much power and want to keep john q public confidant, thn why did 'they' all the nasdaq mkt to fall from 5,000 to below 2,000 and it has never gotten anywhere back since, not when you remember 5,000