I agree with Oilguy. If you are calling on the behalf of a company asking for someone to invest you have to stand behind the company. You should know what you are selling. In this case, Cardinal is a fraud and stole money looking to steal more. That makes you part of them. If you don't know the company then you are ignorant. They call to make money and couldn't care less about what happens afterward. So, yes, Doug, Dan, Todd and Tim are all part of huge scam. They are losers that have screwed investors out of millions. The evidence is there and irrefutable. Its a slam dunk. So, don't tell us Doug or any of these losers are ok guys. They are thieves end of story.