Thanks friend and I am fully aware of my alternatives. I tend not to flip, as ordinary gains are almost meaningless to me after the tax man- I don't need any more "ordinary income"- that being said, I do trade quiet a bit and I am not perfect, so on those occasions where I do take a loss, flipping for a short term gain which is offset by the loss taken will make sense- I just try not to make a habit of it. I'm going on year 35 of trading and have shared enough of my winnings with Uncle Sam, LOL