Tor, that link looks familier. Or at least sounds like the other 5 or 6 you put out going back to Raging Bull. Its funny how it just don't sink in that shorting is done to torvec. I through this topic by people I know and respect in the buisness. When I said that there are many people that don't think a company like Tovc can be shorted they laughed, and said those are the same people the MM's make most of there $ from.