Kyocera, Ceramtec, Coorstek. A compelling argument can be layed out for all three in involvement. You think Ashok C. Khandkar would go after Coorstek or Ceramtec with his patent on a Method of manufacturing an Aluminum oxide ceramic. Instead it's Ceramtec going after Coorstek over the color pink. Maybe they all get some. If hips do not come to market the Company has failed. I think this is their bottom line over any financial measures. Just rolling out the product line detailed in their PR pictures.