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towerclimber92

02/19/18 7:15 PM

#35603 RE: bucks2pennies #35601

So, in response to your post, if a company buys shares they now actually have two stacks of A/S. Ones they bought and ones they have not issued yet. Nothing automatic to it, right, when they buy shares it does not lower the O/S until they terminate them (Stupid me thought that when a company buys shares, they are no longer for sale on the market and therefore directly reduce the O/S).



No. The shares purchased would be classified as 'restricted' and ultimately be designated to be sent to the transfer agent for retirement. There are no separate stacks of 'A/S'. The O/S will not be lowered until these restricted shares are again sent to the TA for retirement.

When terminated, does the A/S reflect a reduction based on the removal of the terminated shares (i.e., HAON terminates their stack of buy back shares, totaling 500M, the A/S is reduced to 10.5B)?



An amendment to lower the authorized will have to be filed with the NVSOS. The company could in theory, sell shares to convertible note holders right after retiring them if they needed capital. Allowing said retired shares & more depending on convertible note terms, to be dumped back into the OS.

It is important that along with share buybacks, that Findley lower the Authorized share count. Or else retail investors will not take him & his buyback seriously.


To learn where the accumulated shares / retired shares will be listed you'll have to fall back on the financials on OTC markets titled 'Quarterly Report - Corporate Disclosure'



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3) Security Information

Since the announcement on October 30th, 2017 the Company has been operating in the black out period, therefore no
shares have been acquired under this program as of November 15th, 2017 = 0. Management is forecasting the
acquisition of shares will commence throughout the 4th quarter of 2017 and going forward.



https://backend.otcmarkets.com/otcapi/company/financial-report/182776/content



Do your DD bucks! You won't have to 'try hard at winning a game where the rules change daily' if you stay informed!

Pay attention the share counts & filings @
- https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HAON/profile
- https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HAON/disclosure
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ImDerekD

02/20/18 11:17 AM

#35715 RE: bucks2pennies #35601

For everyone that gets that A/S, O/S, and public float confused

A/S = Authorized shares. Otherwise, the legal amount of shares a company can issue through debt/equity (Like a savings account that shouldn't be touched, but it's there for emergencies).

O/S = Issued / Outstanding. When a company has preferred stock, or issues employee stock options, these all count as regular shares. Basically the same way you can buy/sell option puts/calls, you can buy/sell regular shares. Employee stock options or grants are the same way, they're not actual common shares, but they can be converted into common shares - so in summary, you have to account for the O/S even though they're not in the 'public' float.

Float is what's readily available to be bought or sold - meaning there's no owner or other shareholder that they belong to.

So from Dec. 14th, HAON filed a designation with NVSOS (& this is used for stock issuance, normally for preferred shares but could also be employee stock options) & increased the float to 11B. We've seen the dilution this has caused. Even from digging, I haven't been able to find a sub penny stock with that high of a float. For every shareholder's sake, as well as Findley's hope of seeing company profits from a buyback, I still don't see the reason for increasing the float to 11B. It's borderline atrocious, especially for buyback purposes. It's like having $10M in your bank account but living in your parents house driving a beat up 2001 ford tacoma - put it to good use? But giving Findley the benefit of the doubt, he plans to bring a sub penny stock to at least $.01, uplist to OTCQB, reduce employee costs by issuing employee stock options (which, payroll expenses for Hopp were also atrocious compared to profits), all the while he continues this buyback through set-up timed purchases (which, is very common in buybacks), let alone the stock he's already bought back (I'm assuming, is only a fraction of what the set up purchases will be used to buy) - this all has to be done under such scrutiny that the SEC won't think twice about the legitimacy of the process. Giving his 20 years and "successful" entrepreneurship, this might explain the hardened blackout periods of open-market repurchases - to ensure no fraud is questioned throughout the process.

You're not stupid, I still sometimes get confused thinking about O/S and A/S because typically, O/S accounts for options which generally don't get issued for the public in penny stocks let alone sub pennies. I found that Findley has done this before (terminated about a third of the float) back in June 2016. The price got to about $.0080 but that was with a 650M float; he ultimately terminated 254M for the issuance of 10M preferred B stock. In all reality, it's hard to imagine a stock w/ 8B in the float getting to $.0050 let alone $.01 and then uplist. I can't make any excuses for what the price will end up at, but I can say there's a legitimate process going on behind closed doors. I do have to note that even though HAON has a verified profile with OTCMarkets as of 02/05/2018, his annual list was due to NVSOS 01/31/2018 which now shows as default status. Although if you look, the address that's listed on NVSOS (Simm lane) - there's another that was updated with NVSOS 01/15/2018 or 01/19/2018 or something like that - the address belongs to a corporate service business, usually one that's supposed to take care of annual reports, law suits, business transfers, etc.,