It happens, since I have been extremely critical of Mr Hartman would u please encourage him to do so? I think it should be known farther out than just the emailing list he has. I encouraged him to spend a100 bucks on an ihub update about the 5 th product to no avail nothing. If eller doesn't come through soon I would think that was just a dilution ploy. I'm losin faith in this guy that he has the ability to get things done. IMO