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extelecom

09/26/06 10:14 AM

#47413 RE: Trisha #47410

"He is and always has been a liar."

You go girl!

Can't say much for Hillary either!
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sarals

09/26/06 9:59 PM

#47472 RE: Trisha #47410

did you read Clarke's book? yes or no only please.
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rfj1862

09/26/06 10:27 PM

#47473 RE: Trisha #47410

Trisha,

>Yes you can say I have no clue, but if YOU read R. Clarks book and listened to his interviews "there was no plan" left for the incoming administration.<

Even if this were true--and it is not--why not focus on today's problems? This whole blame thing is a distraction from the real issue: Iraq (which not even you can blame on Clinton) and the NIE.
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BullNBear52

09/27/06 7:13 AM

#47484 RE: Trisha #47410

Well Condi certainly was lying when she claims Bush tried to get OBL prior to 9/11.

And in case you weren't aware she was head of NSA prior to 9/11.

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SoxFan

09/27/06 9:41 PM

#47508 RE: Trisha #47410

Actually not only was there a plan but 5 days after Bush was sworn into office Clarke sent and email with the attached plan which Condi said Clinton did not have. Funny the emails with the plan have survived and now it's poor Condi who is now the lying son-of-bitch.

I never voted for bubba and have no interest in his book. I do have Richard Clarke's book and have read it and you are incorrect that Richard Clarke is disputing Clinton. Just tonight his direct report for the first time was on TV with Keith Oberman and had the email sent by Clarke and also said that it was the very same plan that was adopted in September 4, 2001. He also said that the senior official in the Bush administration ignored terrorism until Sept 2001 and that the very first meeting on terrorism by the principals underlings was in March and Paul Wolfowicz said Al Qida was not the problem but Iraq. Now go figure!

"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one."
Adolf Hitler


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SoxFan

09/28/06 3:52 PM

#47553 RE: Trisha #47410

Oh and here's a few other things that you should mull over before you spill your bile onto this board:

"January 25, 2001 Richard Clarke Memo:
"We urgently need . . . a Principals level
review on the al Qida network."

"...Two days after Rice's March 22 op-ed, Clarke told the 9/11 Commission, "there's a lot of debate about whether it's a plan or a strategy or a series of options -- but all of the things we recommended back in January were those things on the table in September. They were done. They were done after September 11th. They were all done. I didn't really understand why they couldn't have been done in February."

.....Also attached to the original Clarke memo are two Clinton-era documents relating to al-Qaeda. The first, "Tab A December 2000 Paper: Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects," was released to the National Security Archive along with the Clarke memo. "Tab B, September 1998 Paper: Pol-Mil Plan for al-Qida," also known as the Delenda Plan, was attached to the original memo, but was not released to the Archive and remains under request with the National Security Council.

Below are additional references to the January 25, 2001, memo from congressional debates and the 9/11 Commission testimonies of Richard Clarke and Condoleezza Rice..."

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/index.htm



Three page letter to Rice

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/clarke%20memo.pdf


Thirteen page policy?...A December 2000 Paper: A Strategy for Eliminating the Threat from the Jihadist Networks of al-Qida: Status and Prospects,"

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/clarke%20attachment.pdf


Richard Clark demoted?...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/index.htm

"...Do you get a response to this urgent request for a principals meeting on these? And how does this affect your time frame for dealing with these important issues?

CLARKE: I did get a response, and the response was that in the Bush administration I should, and my committee, counterterrorism security group, should report to the deputies committee, which is a sub-Cabinet level committee, and not to the principals and that, therefore, it was inappropriate for me to be asking for a principals' meeting. Instead, there would be a deputies meeting.

ROEMER: So does this slow the process down to go to the deputies rather than to the principals or a small group as you had previously done?

CLARKE: It slowed it down enormously, by months. First of all, the deputies committee didn't meet urgently in January or February. Then when the deputies committee did meet, it took the issue of Al Qaida as part of a cluster of policy issues, including nuclear proliferation in South Asia, democratization in Pakistan, how to treat the various problems, including narcotics and other problems in Afghanistan, and launched on a series of deputies meetings extending over several months to address Al Qaida in the context of all of those inter-related issues. That process probably ended, I think in July of 2001. So we were ready for a principals meeting in July. But the principals calendar was full and then they went on vacation, many of them in August, so we couldn't meet in August, and therefore the principals met in September..."