I have traded the OTC for a long time, yes flippers can keep the PPS down, but in the end revenues will win every time. I played OWC$ from .02 to .20, it had traded in the sub-pennies. It was flipped like crazy, but managed to hit $3.00+ within 60 days of me buying in. It also had a higher OS than UATG and NO revenue. I really don't think the flippers are hurting us that much, UATG has diluted lately around 60 million shares since the first of September, as near as I can figure the notes that were in the last Q should be finished and Everett should be paid. Once it stops the PPS will rise and I still expect we will be well into copper, if not silver, by the end of the year.