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[DesertDrifter]

He apparently went on a purchase spree, and since it is a character break for him, perhaps he has a brain lesion or something? Or maybe he read the IHUB ammosexual boards and got inspired? Or just actively supported conservative 2nd amendment propaganda?

Have you been in the parking lot at a gun show lately? Bump-stock with a drum magazine is legal in many locales, you know. The bump-stock essentially makes semi auto assault rifles into automatic weapons. It is VERY easy to acquire as much as one can afford. Particularly at Nevada gun shows.

Before you start in, I realize that only a fraction of sales at gun shows are undocumented cash sales, but the fact is, there are too many.

Thinking that ability to acquire the weapons is a limiting factor is laughable. I bet there is another stash somewhere that has not been discovered yet.

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mr40, Your attempt to make it a Muslim-motivated attack is malicious and socially irresponsible.

False ISIS Connections, Nonexistent Victims and Other Misinformation in the Wake of Las Vegas Shooting

By LINDA QIUOCT. 2, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/politics/viral-claims-and-rumors-in-the-las-vegas-shooting.html?_r=0

Of course, as expected and always, there have been many false claims made.

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mr40, Golly fuck!, a second Muslim name for Paddock.

12. ISIS is tripling down on its claim. The group has issued a communique where they identify shooter with nom de guerre Abu Abd El Bar



11:34 AM - 2 Oct 2017

12. ISIS is tripling down on its claim. The group has issued a communique where they identify shooter with nom de guerre Abu Abd El Bar pic.twitter.com/o4aYQjBWzI

— Rukmini Callimachi (@rcallimachi) October 2, 2017

"LasVegas shooter's Muslim name is Samir Al Hajib. Steven Paddock converted to Islam at age 30."

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mr40, This Is Why ISIS Took Responsibility For The Las Vegas Shooting

Experts say the group is trying to counter its diminished status by playing up its reputation to its remaining followers.

Posted on October 3, 2017, at 8:55 a.m.

Hayes Brown
BuzzFeed News Reporter


David Becker / Getty Images

ISIS’s claim of responsibility for the Las Vegas shooting was driven less by a desire to strike fear into the US than wanting to show its supporters that it remains relevant, experts say, dismissing the the militant group’s claim that it had influenced the shooter in the months beforehand.

US officials, including the FBI and Las Vegas sheriff's department, have said they have no evidence .. https://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeednews/live-updates-two-people-are-dead-as-police-investigate?utm_term=.cigwVGz9q#.tvqQ13A6B .. to tie the shooting, which was carried out by 64-year-old Stephen Paddock and left more than 50 people dead, to ISIS. "We have determined to this point no connection with an international terrorist group," FBI investigator Aaron Rouse told reporters Monday.

But the group has doubled down on its claim — releasing a statement and video, even going so far as to provide an alleged nom de guerre ..

12. ISIS is tripling down on its claim. The group has issued a communique where they identify shooter with nom de guerre Abu Abd El Bar pic.twitter.com/o4aYQjBWzI

— Rukmini Callimachi (@rcallimachi) October 2, 2017

[ https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=135115922 ] used by Paddock.

If no evidence emerges to show that Paddock really was an ISIS agent, there’s no shortage of reasons for ISIS to lay claim to the attack. ISIS currently has a "faltering brand," said Herbie Tinsley, a researcher with the University of Maryland's National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), and that could have spurred them to jump on the news from Las Vegas.

ISIS is having to adjust to being put on the defensive over the last year, with its territory in Iraq and Syria shrinking dramatically .. https://www.buzzfeed.com/borzoudaragahi/isis-is-collapsing-faster-than-anyone-expected-us-general .. in the face of a US-led campaign. The collapse of its self-declared caliphate, with its capital in Raqqa, has prompted a shift in its propaganda strategy away from promoting the idealized version of life under their rule that ISIS has highlighted to an emphasis on external attacks, analysts said.

"To some degree you need to be able to attempt at least to show that you are still effective and the effectiveness they have seen in terms of attacks on the US have been somewhat limited," Tinsley said in a phone interview.

The announcement also may not have been targeted at Americans, Tinsley said. "Jihadists do not primarily message to Westerners. They're more often and more specifically for those who are already in their camp or sympathetic," he said.

And it's unlikely that the message’s intended targets will be more likely to doubt ISIS moving forward. "There's no chance this statement will be retracted," Charlie Winter, a senior research fellow with the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation in London, told BuzzFeed News. "It's not exactly a sustainable way of operating; you can only do something like this once in a while because credibility does matter. But the Amaq News Agency's credibility and ISIS's credibility is not as fragile as we think it is."

So far this year, the group has already claimed credit for several incidents where they turned out to be uninvolved. A security alert at Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport that the group said was their doing turned out ..

4. In actual fact the CDG security alert was caused by verbal threats by an angry female passenger in her 50s not allowed onto flight.

— Paul Cruickshank (@CruickshankPaul) October 2, 2017

.. to be an irate passenger. After President Donald Trump labeled .. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/politics/donald-trump-manila-attack/index.html .. a shooting at a casino in the Philippines an "act of terror," ISIS quickly pounced, issuing a statement taking full responsibility. The man behind the Manila shooting later proved to be a disgruntled gambler, heavily indebted to the house.

Trump had not commented on ISIS's claim by Monday evening, and the White House was not asked about it during the daily briefing, though some of the president’s political allies, including former Alaskan governor Sarah Palin, credulously tweeted about the announcement:

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The Islamic State claimed the shooting in Las Vegas overnight that took 50 lives and injured hundreds more during a country music festival outside of Mandalay Bay resort. ISIS claimed on Monday...
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Palin's tweet wound up a relatively isolated event as cable news and journalists on Twitter for the most part discarded ISIS's claim, though it was picked up by the Associated Press and others.

But even the rampant skepticism among the Western media may play into ISIS's hands. Winter told BuzzFeed News that over the last few years in particular, the group has worked hard to cultivate a conspiratorial view toward the media.

"Jihadis and would-be jihadis will already have a pretty entrenched sense that the mainstream media is essentially not telling the truth about what happens in various parts of the world," Winter said. "So even if it becomes very clear — even if it emerges that there's unambiguous evidence that this guy had nothing to do with ISIS, that he wasn't even Muslim, that he was operating as an individual attacker ... that wouldn't actually matter to true believers in the ISIS cause. It wouldn't matter."

Hayes Brown is a world news editor and reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in New York.

Contact Hayes Brown at [e-mail].

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/this-is-why-isis-took-responsibility-for-the-las-vegas?utm_term=.jnZ5PnQDJn#.lndAnKp6YK