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r clarke

09/10/17 9:24 AM

#69379 RE: valeriana #69378

Nice summary!

Very ingenious how they set up the shell, and incorporated numerous entities, including Nanotech Industries International, Inc and Nanotech Industries, Inc. in order to disguise the movement of monies into the pockets of the private concern which shared the same management!

Unfortunately for some involved with this board and company, they lost much more than lunch money. ... and now the company doesnt return calls, answer emails, have a IR company, file ER, etc. Very sad, and should be criminal.


"This was a scam from the beginning to get lunch money for Nanotech through a silly license scheme. End of story."
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Travis Crider

09/10/17 2:33 PM

#69382 RE: valeriana #69378

I have to agree to disagree. Some people think this is a legit business. Others state it's designed to funnel money into NTI. I would say it's both. It's basically a fool proof way for NTI to bring this to market without risking any up front capital. Don't forget the compnay has 1 million series A convertable into billions of commons. If they see the company as a whole becoming profitable in the near future, they can obtain a large stake in the common.
    Think about it. Say u have a patent that could be worth money if properly brought to market. You would know that you could sell the patents for a small price because there's no business per say to sell. This would guarantee them money, but likely a small amount, relatively. On the other hand, you could build a business to make money off of that business or build a business to sell it. Both of these have a possibility of making money like the selling the patents, but would be worth way more after building a business.   
      However, in order to take this option, it would require upfront money to build it whereas selling the patents would not. There is substantial risks in this option to get the higher returns. Another option is you could take the option HCTI has. They simply made the company HCTI. HCTI will make convertable notes. The noteholders will convert these to shares and sell them to the public.
   So, the public pays noteholders, noteholders pay hcti and hcti pays NTI. In this situation, NTI has made its money on the patents risk free. This is what you are saying ,and yes, I agree. They have. This is a small amount however and it's the same amount they likely could have sold the patents for. So, now they have made that money, risk free and ALSO have the business, risk free. They aren't through with this yet. They still want to make the business for the real money, and they are.
    There was no reason for all of these complications if it's only to make licensing fees. That would have been easy to sell a long time ago. Now, they have the business. The Cds are funding trade shows and marketing. They can build a real company. This is what they are doing, just simply risk free due to the way it's structured.
   They also have the carry forward losses which will make millions of income tax free. This method will, and obviously has, diluted the commons. Hence billion of shares and SP is .0001. That is the current situation. There is also a business though. It's real.
     The silence has caused everyone to speculate. There are rumors that the compnay has some problems with manufacture for IF and has since added two more US manufacturers. This has caused very large orders to get backed up. These are real deal problems with a real deal company. They are broke and struggling right now.
   When, and if it all succeeds, it will make much more money than the few million in licensing fees they have received. They will have made it risk free. It's obvious to see who's benefiting more here and taking more risk... Commons or insiders..
I don't blame their genius though. That doesn't make it a scam. It's all clearly stated in filings.
    This is a real business. Once the echa/reach approves their chemicals, there's tons more revenue for Europe. Once our new US distributors gets these backed up orders sent in, there's more revenue.
     There's also rumors that filings are backed up due to insufficient funds. The manufacturing errors were corrected with the 2 new US manufactures. There is supposed to be a shareholder email detailing all of this in a few weeks.
.  I just don't think it's a scam. They are spending way to much on real business costs. Their salaries are way to low. The only real salaries were in shares and 1 has never been sold. There was 1 year were jospeh got paid about $240k in shares. He has been diluted to oblivion as well and never sold 1. I've done my DD. I have a good grasp on what's going on here. Scams don't spend this kind of money on company development. The lack of filings and current SP has created a brewing ground for conspiracies. Has the common shareholder reaked any benefit? The answer is absolutely not. That's what happens investing in a company that isnot only pre profit, but pre revenue.
    It was greed that made people try to buy the bottom. They could have waited for real revenues, but people want to be greedy and gamble and buy before the company even makes any money, so they can try and make a "50 bagger" instead of a "5 bagger" That makes this exponentially more risky, not a scam. People think well, if I wait for revenues, the stock will be too high to buy. Yea, well take your risk then, and blame the company. Pre revenue companies are a gamble. Investors accounts' "returns or losses" don't dictate a scam, neither does the share count or current SP. It's all about buying at the right time.
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Travis Crider

09/10/17 3:17 PM

#69387 RE: valeriana #69378

I'm not doubting your DD skills, Valeriana. As I remember, you've been here a long time and found many pertinent valuable company progressions, before they were even made public.
    It just seems as though you, and many others, have equated the lack of filings and silence/low SP to date, with a scam.
    It's the way the market works. In late 2008, every investor thought every stock in the world was a scam. The whole market was all of a sudden "a huge scam". What caused the WHOLE WORLD  to loose faith in the ENTIRE MARKET? It was simply.... the share price.
      Many sold at the very bottom. That is where the volume was the highest. Only investors who didn't bring emotion into it took advantage of the situation. Many aren't buying down here. Most are selling. Who's in the know? What are they doing?
    I evaluate the business, not the stock. This isn't a TA play at this moment. It's a fundamental play. I've still been buying here and there. I've got most of my money in a Roth. I put 7 percent a week there. This is my risk on investment, not my advisors risk off investment.
    If the company makes 3 million in 2018, is it still a scam? Are the fundamentals there for this company to make 2 million in 2017, 3 million in 2018? Will all trials pass the tests in Europe? Will China accept the product? Will REACH/ECHA approves our chemicals for commercial sales in the EU?  Has the EPA already approved the same chemiclas in US, hence IF currently distributing? Is all of this being worked on? Is Oleg figovsky reputable? Will the EPA award help? Will the EPA partner us with the organizations they said they would in the EPA follow up? What is our market cap at .0001 with 25 billion OS?  How much will they make in 2020? 2025?
    I want answers, so I ask myself questions. I speculate, of course. That has to fit in there somewhere. I just don't give it 80 percent attention, like I would the answers to my fundamental questions.
  There are investors with MILLIONS in this. I consider that smart money/big money. I follow them as well. I don't doubt your intentions, and as I stated prior, I respect your DD. Just conversating. Good luck my friend.
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starkd748

02/10/20 1:09 PM

#83252 RE: valeriana #69378

Most certainly was