I'll have to take a look at those indexes and see what they look like. Thanks for bringing them up here on the forum. I don't usually follow a lot of "preferred" stocks. I used to look through the S&P "bond book" when the library still got it. It has preferred stocks, convertible bonds and other such things. I picked up some dandy convertible subordinated debentures from that source over the years. Still own a couple of them as the maturities are sometime after 2010.