IVPAF (IVN.TO), another miner that has been beat up lately. Although, share price rebounded some on Friday. Possibly due to this -
Excerpts from report on SEDAR dated MArch 10, 2017:
The transaction that triggered the requirement to file this report was the purchase of 1,374,200 Class A Common Shares of Ivanhoe Mines Ltd. that occurred on February 15, 2017.
This is Fidelity’s initial filing above 10% or Fidelity’s security holding percentage, as at the end of the month, increased to 10% or more.
Fidelity holds 85,642,869 Class A Common Shares representing approximately 10.96% of the outstanding shares of that class.
Partial transcript of the call. Robert Friedland, Canadian Mining Hall of Fame member speaking -
On the Kakula Copper Strike Robert Friedland, Executive Chairman of Ivanhoe Mines Ltd. 15 December 2016
Wow. Thank you, gentlemen, and I want to thank all the participants on this holiday season call. After twenty-one years of incredibly hard work by hundreds of very talented people, arguably the very best in the industry, our company is about to be an overnight success.
Now, we found Kamoa a number of years ago, and David Broughton and his team won a number of the highest awards you can get in geology for that discovery, and we drilled it to a point where it's 27 kilometres long and 10 kilometres wide – and you can't blame us for continuing to drill that enormous blue whale to see how big it was. It's kind of hard to go to a new area 5 kilometres away, where even now if we go up to Kamoa and drill the edges, it gets bigger. But we found some very interesting early geology at Kakula. Now, in the mean time, we designed a 4 million tonne a year mine at Kamoa and I am going to tell you how rapidly the situation has evolved and in a very real sense, and only half tongue-in-cheek, this 25 page press release we have just made for building a 4 million-, and then an immediate extension 8 million tonne a year mine, is obsolete even before the ink is dry. I want to explain how this happened and where we're headed.
Now, we had a bear market, and availability of capital was very low. We had pundits and observers thinking we were going to issue billions of shares of stock diluting ourselves in the development of three simultaneous world class assets. And so we said, well, let's see how small we can make the capital investment in Kamoa at only 4 million tonnes a year – actually, we we just started out thinking about 3 million tonnes a year, and then we realised the capital cost was almost the same at 4 million – and we cooked up a plan for an excellent mine that could be financed at the bottom of the cycle at 4 million tonnes a year. We developed the detailed engineering and we announced it, and then we started charging ahead to pre-feasibility and feasibility study in much more detail.
And then the discovery occurred at Kakula: first a few holes, and then just an overwhelming discovery of an unbelievably rich and disruptive ore body. So, we started moving drill rigs down there, we had to build a road to get down there. It's only 5 or 6 kilometres away. And we started drilling and in 6 months we drilled out this monster that remains open. And we've now announced 60 to 100 million tonnes: if you look at the indicated category and add the inferred in this extremely continuous deposit, something on the order of 60 million tonnes, 80 million tonnes, 100 million tonnes of plus-6% material, very shallow. And so we thought, well, let's see what happens if we move that 4 million tonne mine, as designed, to Kakula. And the result was lower capital, less capital in terms of economic development, because of the thickness and the consistency, higher metallurgical recoveries, higher-grade concentrate, which reduces shipping costs and realisation costs – and in short, a real world beater. And then we thought, well, what if we build that one and then just build the original idea, the 4 million tonnes at Kamoa, a total of 8 million tonnes, all out of the first little billion dollars. One billion dollars: ladies and gentlemen, it isn't what it used to be; Oyu Tolgoi is taking 13 billion so far, and before the district is fully developed up to 350 thousand tonnes a day, at least 25 billion of capital will go into Oyu Tolgoi. And the expansion underground for Grasberg has roughly a 25 billion dollar budget. We're talking about one measly little billion dollars, of which our partners from Zijin came in to provide 65 percent of the capital by debt, and our share of the capital, 175 million bucks, we have that money in our pocket now, and more.
So we started designing this billion dollar unit to be comfortable. Now we've taken a hard look at the ongoing drilling, and we will announce, in the first quarter, the results of that ongoing drilling. But it's blatantly obvious, and we have now disclosed, that we're going to look at Kakula at 8 million tonnes a year to start, and maybe even higher, maybe 10 million tonnes a year to start. And it will generate ridiculous cash flows.
If you're making a 38 percent rate of return, 38 percent IRR, and cost of capital out of Asia, for a Japanese company, where they are experiencing nearly negative rates of interest, you have access to cheap capital. And now that sentiment in the mining market has turned – in fact, Goldman Sachs, who is professionally short the copper market (probably talking their book, I might add), now that they've covered their short position at a massive loss for their clients, has turned around and become a bull on copper – so all of a sudden there's enormous capital flows interested in seeing what this resource can do and how big it can get. So, that 25 pages of information is very material to a mining analyst, it's very material to the people with whom we are engaged in strategic discussions, but I am happy to tell you it's already obsolete. We are now talking to potential sources of capital, in Europe, in Africa, in Asia, and in the Middle East, that have no material limitation on capital, and what we are being asked is, “well, how big can you make this thing? How fast can you make it big? What's the ultimate size?” And the mineralisation is now a blanket stretching about 27 kilometres further north, 5, 6, 7 kilometres at Kakula – you know, we're getting on 35 kilometres of strike. It's like a flat-lying blanket. How many holes would you like to poke in it? Would you like to put in 2 billion of capital?
Take a look at Las Bambas. My Chinese friends have 9 billion dollars dedicated to Las Bambas, and that's a lot. And that's supposed to get them to 350 thousand tonnes a year. Well, our first billion gets you to a peak of 347 thousand tonnes a year, and I am confident that the quality of the concentrate is better, the access to market, all the factors. So, we're not at a high elevation; we're on flat land. Water is not an issue in the Congo. The Congo River is the second largest source of fresh water in the world after the Amazon.
So what we're doing now is we're going to expand the drilling. And we have the most intensive interest in the affairs of this company that I have experienced since Voisey's Bay. And, in fact, I would go so far to say, that if you have a 4.7 billion dollar net present value, at an 8 percent interest rate, in these little baby mines, imagine what the NPV could be when we go to 8 million, 12 million, 16 million, perhaps 20 million tonnes a year. This is going to be either the second largest copper mine in the world, or the largest. And it's going to pump out massive cash flows, to the benefit of the Congolese people, who are now a partner in the project, and to all of our stakeholders, and to all of our end users of that metal who desperately need it to change the miserable current state of the world.
Now, Lao Tse, the famous Chinese philosopher, said that the best fertiliser for a farm is the footsteps of its owner. This morning we had a commentary in the Globe and Mail. It was basically an attack on Don Lindsay, attacking him on the thesis that he was being paid too much and that miners get paid too much, and that people that invest in mining companies are hurt when management have stock options. Actually, when people have exposure to equity, they work with Silicon Valley intensity, and if you want to make a comment about exposure to equity and companies, the greatest growth companies in the world in Silicon Valley all have employees where everybody is exposed to equity. The mining industry is very cyclical and you need to attract the very best people on the planet if you're going to make the best discoveries on the planet. So the people that we have at this company are the software. The people that we have at this company are the guts of it. They're the heart. And when people say “how is this fellow talking to you so lucky as to find so many of the world's largest mineral deposits?” I always protest and say “it's not me! It's the strength and the depth and the intensity of the technical management team that is moving mountains.”
Now Kakula, I can assure you, is growing every day, including today, and it's growing this week and it's growing this month, and it's going to prove to be probably the most disruptive copper discovery this century. It's already achieved that accolade on the African continent, but we've got wider horizons in mind for comparison.
Now the problem is that the engineers and the third party QPs (the qualified persons) are struggling to keep up with the scale of the growth of the asset, and our sudden availability of extremely large amounts of capital. When you've got a lot of money, all your problems are solved. Once a company like Barrick gets in the index and makes cash flow, any kind of problem that occurs in mining can be resolved by just spending more capital, and if you've got a cost of capital of 1 or 2 or 3 percent, and your IRR is 38 percent, you can expand a resource like this infinitely. Net present value is an evaluation stick for idiots. The numbers that we've published on an NPV8 means that if I sell you a mine for a billion dollars, after ten years, you have to sell it back to me for one dollar, because with the magic of compounding interest, there's no value to anything beyond year 10. And we're three years away from commercial production, plus or minus, and so, just on that three year delay you're taking a 30 or 40 percent interest compounded in the deduction of net present value; in other words, just by getting three years older, that 4.7 billion will be more like a 6 1/2 or 7 billion dollar NPV because the mills are turning.
So, we are going to access from strategic players a lot of capital. We are in a competitive process. We are in the midst of it. We are concerned that this company be run on the very best international corporate practice, and that the mines be run on the very best possible environmental and social corporate practice in the world, because when you have a mine with very broad shoulders and it generates fantastic cash flows, you've got the capital for community development, and you're generating huge amounts of valued employment, and you can train your employees. For example, we've invested hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in training in Mongolia, in the Mongolian workforce, and Rio Tinto is now proud that the Mongolian workforce has the highest productivity and the best safety record in the entire Rio Tinto system, and those people were trained from scratch, because they didn't come to the mine with any bad habits. So in short, this is truly a once in a lifetime discovery, and we are the Jedi you're looking for.
Now, solar energy has just become cheaper than wind power, and Lars-Eric Johansson is on the board of Canadian Solar, one of the largest solar energy companies in the world. All of their components are made in China. Today, electricity, generated by solar, is dropping below 2 cents a kilowatt hour. And this mine is also connected to existing hydro-electric capacity. We have our foot on over 200 megawatts of hydro-electric power. The third element is vanadium redox batteries for the storage of grid-scale electricity. We have flat land. There's an infinite amount of solar energy we can generate. We control in an affiliated company a very powerful vanadium redox battery company based in China that can build very large scale – grid-scale – batteries. And if you have those batteries, in case you have low water in a hydro-electric dam, as First Quantum recently experienced in Zambia, the solar energy and the batteries can store the energy you need. If you have ample rainfall you can run the hydro-electricity as fast as possible and fill up the batteries. So the combination of hydro-electric power, solar power, and vanadium redox storage will make this the greenest mine in the world. And if you're a greenie and you want to stop burning our Arab friends' hydrocarbons, if you campaign against the Athabasca oil sands or don't like pipelines or don't like coal, you have to acquire our copper.
The Chinese state grid is the world's largest buyer of copper metal. They have to clean the air for 1.3 billion Chinese people. A deposit like this is in the national security interest of any of the major powers.
So, we are extremely blessed to have no snow, no ice, easy access to markets, extremely high grades, and the concentrate – no one has ever seen a mine producing over 50% of concentrate grade. So there are tremendous amounts of additional value to be squeezed out of this asset with the advancement of technology in the next ten years. Mining is going to undergo a complete revolution in technology: the way we drill, the way we grind, the way we blast, the way we produce metal. And what we do with the metal is going to rapidly change because the world is moving to electric automobiles, and the world is moving to much cleaner ways to generate power and this mine is going to sit at the heart of the world industrial transformation. You don't believe me? Just watch. Wait till you see what happens. We've given you fair warning.
So the goal is to surpass this preliminary economic evaluation, 25 pages long, 8 million tonnes a year, 1 billion of capital, 4.7 billion dollar NPV. We'd like to double it. We'd like to triple it. Maybe in time, we can quadruple it. And we're talking to the most interesting companies in the world to team up with us and achieve this task. You know, when you have extremely high grade – no one pointed out that – your mill has a very small footprint. You use less cement, you use less steel, you use less electricity, you use less of everything because it's very high grade! And so, nothing can compete with this, and the only mining share I recommend you buy is something at the very bottom of the world cost curve. Well, ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you, this mine will be at the very bottom of the world cost curve. As David Broughton said, it's Lucifer to everybody else contemplating building a copper mine, with no exceptions. And that's why Voisey's Bay became so valuable. The people at Sudbury, Ontario: one group used to work for Falconbridge and drink in one bar, and another group used to work for Inco and drink in another bar, and if somebody got drunk and went to the wrong bar, they'd beat him half to death because he came from the competing company. When we found Voisey's Bay, we made a deal with Falconbridge – in fact, Don Lindsay, who now runs Teck, was my backer – and the people at Inco just couldn't stomach the idea, and raised the bid by 1.7 billion dollars, because the greatest asset is a profound enemy to the second best asset. And ain't anybody have a copper discovery like this.
And, you know, our Chinese friends who are already in this project, we've known them for 25 years, they know how important this project is to China's economic, political and military security. And our Chinese friends bring great stability in the Congo, and we think that any perception of political risk is quite misplaced. Actually, when I take a good look at the president of the United States, either the current one, or the next one, I'm not sure any of them knows what they are going to even say about mining. I mean, you might get a tweet out the Donald any second that could dramatically change the future of oil and gas or mining. We just don't know. And who is going to be the next president? Are they going to reverse those policies? Will it be a Democrat? We know that the Congo lives on copper mining. The Congo produced a million tonnes of copper, approximately, for the last two years. Each year. It's the fastest growing source of copper. The economy is growing at about 7 percent a year. This mining project can more than double Congolese production to 2 million tonnes a year. It dwarfs total Canadian production which is in inexorable decline.
So, we are going to move mountains in the new year. We are going to drill assiduously, and we are going to increase the size of this resource, and we are going to scale up the project accordingly. What we're trying to do here is, we're trying to make history. Making history is a lot better than just making money. If you build the biggest and best new copper mine in the world, all of our shareholders are going to make a ridiculous amount of money. But that's not as important or as satisfying at my age as making history. So, the key thing is to uplift the lives of the surrounding people in Katanga. To strengthen our social licence. The government in Katanga has been an enormous supporter of our efforts. The people in Katanga were elated when we restarted one of the hydro-electric power generation units that had been abandoned, basically, for maintenance, since the Belgian colonial era. We are training the local people in farming and agriculture and chicken husbandry. We have a honey factory. And we haven't even made any money yet! When this mine makes money, with its broad shoulders, it's going to set the industry standard for improving the lives of the neighbouring peoples.
Now, the world needs so much copper for electric cars, for power transformation, for solar energy and for wind power, for nuclear power. If you want to stop burning coal, and if you want to stop burning hydrocarbons, and if you want to eliminate urban air pollution, you need our copper. And if 9 billion people that are soon to arrive on this planet are going to breathe clean air, you need this copper.
And so I want all of you on this call to join hands with us, take a piece of the equity, and help us make history, because we are going to do it. Thank you for your support.
3)Kipushi, From 11/28/16 cc. Robert Friedland speaking -
On Financing:
I think we can just tell you that great mines always get financed. That's rule number one. And I can also make the editorial observation that the wind is very clearly now at our backs. We used to be developing these assets with the wind blowing in our face. So we now have a favourable tail wind, to say the least. In fact, earlier today copper nearly touched $6,000 a tonne in London, and we don't think the rally's over yet. So it's fair to say, as we've said in the past, that we have been approached by numerous — primarily financial — investors, as well as international industry participants in all of our assets. So a lot of the capital cost to put Kipushi in production has already been borne; every day we're effectively putting the mine back in production. When we rebuild the winders and the shafts and the skips and the Maryannes and the underground development, we are essentially going ahead with the capital to redevelop the mine. So when we give you a new pre-feasibility study in the second quarter of 2017 we do expect the capital cost to be lower than it was a year or two ago by virtue of the fact that we are developing the mine now! It's essentially being redeveloped now.
On Corporate Activity:
So far as our alternatives are concerned, as we've indicated publicly in the past, they range from bankers and investors interested in us taking Kipushi public as a pure play on zinc, which could be done with or without our partner, Gecamines, through a joint venture, or a joint public listing with other parties, or do an outright and complete sale. If our shareholders think that that is an attractive thing to do we might go in that direction. We don't negotiate against ourselves in the media, and we don't negotiate in public. All we can tell you is that we are feeling better about our condition in the industry and in the evolution of these assets than we have ever felt in a twenty year period. We have never been as strong as we are today, and we've never felt that we had as many suitors that would like to marry us as we have this evening. So I'll just leave it at that. Thank you.
On Developments in the Zinc Market:
We've also seen a very significant reduction in transportation costs. So there's clearly a panic for zinc concentrate by the smelters. That's definitely the case, since we've had an incredible decline in the costs [treatment charges]. We've also seen an incredibly significant reduction in transport costs. So all the factors are now at the moment quite beneficial, with higher metals prices, greater interest from industry and financial people, and reduced treatment and transportation costs. So I hope you keep tuned to the second quarter of 2017 when the Big Zinc will nearly be back in production.
On Progress at the Big Zinc:
You can go up there and literally kiss the Big Zinc. When we bought the asset the mine was flooded, and the Big Zinc was sort of like the Loch Ness Monster: some people claimed to have seen it many times, but it was definitely under water. Now you can go down there and kiss Loch Ness Monster any time you like. We think an 80-metre-thick ore body with 35% zinc — with all the other metals, 42 or 43% equivalent — speaks for itself.
On Capital Savings:
We do think the capital cost is coming down. And how far is it coming down? Well, the more the better, actually. But as the price of the metal skyrockets - last time I checked it's up 70% since January 1 — we are less and less sensitive to capital costs. So we are looking at extremely attractive rates of return. Now, how good is extreme? Well, we'll let you know at the end of the second quarter when the numbers are independently audited.
On a Production Decision:
I think we've already made the decision to put the richest zinc deposit in the world into production. It's just that we can't give you the parameters around that decision without announcing an independent study. We've spoken to Chinese players who've said, "why are you even bothering to do a feasibility study on the richest zinc mine in the world?!" It's by definition richer than the other zinc deposits by a very wide margin, so by definition, it should be more economic, given that the capital has already been sunk. This is a brownfields restart, not a greenfields development. I think Kipushi is an asset that is not really understood by the mining industry. I think that the continued drilling down-dip, the scale of the potential resource, and the unique geologic setting reminds me of what Dr Murray Hinzman told me. Dr Hinzman is the head of the geology department at the Colorado School of Mines, and he made the remark that he thought that "the crack in the earth at Kipushi is the richest crack in the earth, period, full stop." It rivals any ore in the world. It's a lot more valuable per tonne than Voisey's Bay was, and you can go down and touch it.
Kamoa-Kakula
On Capital Commitments:
There are no particular capital commitments in our agreement with the Congolese government. There is no reference to the capital commitments. We are the owner of the licence. We have all the rights, environmental rights and approvals, to go ahead and develop the mine, but we are not subject to any particular schedule or capital commitments. Of course, we want to develop a historically important groundbreaking mine as quickly as we can do so safely and efficaciously.
On Exploration Opportunities:
We hold about a 460 square kilometer mining licence, which holds essentially a perpetual mining right. Everything developed on that licence would be subject to this new agreement with the Congolese government and in fact with Zijin, our current partner. Outside of that area we hold a lot of very important proprietary geological information about where there very well might be additional Kamoas or Kakulas. However, all of that work would be only for our own account, subject to the government's interest of 5% under the 1912 mining law. So we do have a broad regional interest in exploration which would be held totally by Ivanhoe Mines and would not involve our joint venture with Zijin or in fact this new agreement with the Congolese government. And in future I hope we can tell you more good news about where we hope to find more Kakulas.
On Financing:
We see no issue in procuring debt finance in China, let alone from other international sources. The highest grade copper mine in the world always gets financed.
On Kansoko Sud vs. Kakula:
The declines in both cases are production declines. And there's nothing to say you can't mine 4 million tonnes a year at Kakula, and also mine 1 or 2 million tonnes a year of much higher-grade ore out of Kansoko Sud. They can both supplement each other. They're both giant resources. It's just that the very best is the enemy of what used to be the very best, but is no longer the very best. It's in the miserable nature of our business that the best ore always is supposed to get to the concentrator first. It's a nice, elegant problem to have.
On Kakula Resource Estimation:
When we announced the first estimate it was already obsolete by the time we announced it.
On the Current Drill Programme:
We're running about five rigs to the rain. We have been doing some step-out drilling, particularly to the north-west, and I think I can tell you that we will probably be updating the Kakula resource for many years. For many years. Geologically it's open in many directions, and there may be more Kakulas to come!!!
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