animaljive, I'm sure nobody would tell you that I have been a big supporter of the ticker. (I've flipped it 3 times.) However, I don't believe in keeping quite when information is incorrect. (Intentionally or not) If you would read the patent application submitted by PB, it would appear to be in conflict with what you are posting. Maybe it's semantics, terminology or just a lack of medical knowledge on my part? But they have been working with mice and this even shows where they bought them from. You can skip about 80% of the way down to results to see the text that states the word "mice".