Wasn't talking about IVF, I had moved on and was referring to climate science and the natural world in general. Francis believes we are charged by God with a moral duty to look after the world He gave us, not to simply pillage, use it and dispose of the refuse at will, like we are doing. As far as IVF, the Church's opposition is institutional and systemic, it does not extend to the parish priests and nuns where the rubber actually meets the road. Francis is more the parish priest than any Pope we've ever had, that's why you are seeing a real awakening amongst lapsed Catholics. He may not be able to change Canon Law already existing, but he can and has been issuing his own edicts and pronouncements which are changing the tone of everything, especially where the natural world is concerned, as well as the evils of unfettered capitalism and materialism and our responsibility to the poor. Will IVF be a part of that? I think it will be, and already is. Even before Francis, in the dark days of the fascistic and reactionary JPII, I had never heard of a parish priest admonishing a couple for going the route of IVF. You'll find that IVF use amongst Catholics is similar to any other group.
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