If you take a look at the history of Apple....J obs built it, was booted out by the CEO he hired to run the company. That was a huge crossroads for Jobs, the shareholders as well. When he came back to Apple if everybody spent all of their time talking about Jobs screwing up and products that did not succeed on his first go round I would guess their would have never been and Ipod,or later the iphone. I believe Joe and Raj have vision. I am still in the company because of all the reasons you mention. Sometimes you have to fail first before you succeed. I am not a guy that harps on the past or is jealous because I wasn't the guy who didn't take the Prom Queen to the prom. I did. Life is a journey of ups and downs. Lose some battles along the way, but make sure your winners out number the losers in the P and L column. Here we go!!!!