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brandemarcus

07/26/16 11:33 AM

#347259 RE: big-yank #347254

Yank , I am sure you understand that Preferred Stock is not the same as debt. It's not an obligation in figuring net worth on the balance sheet.
Argument dismissed!

Any dividends can be passed at the discretion of the board without putting the corporation in bankruptcy. If you are going to call the sr pfd obligations
a liability , what about the jr pfd obligations? The sweep does nothing for the jr pfd , so I guess receivership is still required.

Remember it's the government that claims there was no "loan", there was an investment (ie - equity). Non payment of preferred stock dividend does not require receivership. Although the government will soon claim that the Preferred stock can be both equity and debt in the same the same way that Fha can sometimes be private and sometimes be part of the government.

Even if they take care of the jr pfd, what about the common dividends? Is that not a liability according to the logic of your post? Does that mean that the common stock must get part of the sweep earnings or the Gse's must be put in receivership?

Final question. Is there any prohibition in Hera saying the Fha may not or shall not declare the sr dividends a loan and paid in full( since according to you they are sometimes a loan)? They then liquidate the remaining assets paying out everything to common and jr pfds. Clearly , the fha ( according to you) has no implied duty even to the taxpayers either! They can do whatever!
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Mikey Mike

07/26/16 11:34 AM

#347261 RE: big-yank #347254

Shall is being derived from a religious perspective of shalt...such example being thou shalt not kill...in the days that may and may not was used, they both had inferences of must and must not...however the definitions have much mutated since they were first utilized. Many legal books were written based on the old English definition so those who are in the newer generation "may not" comprehend what it's true legal meanings are...
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Donotunderstand

07/26/16 11:50 AM

#347266 RE: big-yank #347254

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I do not recall when the assets where such?

CASH to pay the 10% dividend was not always there - but A > L was true and inkind payment was available

Indeed - without the NWS - would not F and F have about 100B in reserve right now? (if one assumes all payments are at 10% during the period the GOV swept about that much to itself?)
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JusticeWillWin

07/26/16 2:49 PM

#347286 RE: big-yank #347254

Did we really ever have this situation??