The history you have far surpasses the history of posters who might actually have a vague understanding of this group. You are correct. They are very bad people. Integrity is a virtue and none of them possess a thimble full of this. To scam one's own family is even worse than scamming what is considered to be fair game investors. Both of these enterprises should have been collapsed years ago and other investors might have averted yet another scam. Lies and scams are all they have ever done.
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