Replies to post #120585 on NanoViricides Inc. (NNVC)

[arvitar]

The fact remains, in all of human history, there has never been a single instance of a management team first failing for 11 years to get a single preclinical candidate IND-approved, and then suddenly accomplishing that.

There's no reason to believe that NNVC will be the first.

Indeed, given the age and unremarkable careers of its management team, there's plenty of reason to believe that NNVC won't be the first to set such historic precedent.

[drkazmd65]

Well put - top to bottom,.

[Its_lose_not_loose]

Again, thanks for the entertaining post.

[Magnus1]

Would a moderator sticky note this please.

[JG36]

So no one is selling but somehow the price goes down. Obviously someone is selling. Maybe not anybody you know personally but somebody. And the stock is trading over 200,000 shares per day, not 20,000.

I will bet they are on Big Pharma radar now, after they proved scale up. Don't be surprised if a deal is already mapped out waiting for the university results.

This sort of talk was common four years ago. At this stage it's just silly. No big pharma company is going to have the slightest interest in this stock until and unless there are successful phase 2 results in humans. Positive university results for ocular Herpescide will simply mean that that drug is now where Flucide was 4 years ago. And we still have no indication that NNVC can produce commercial quantities of anything.

[Rawnoc]

(1) NNVC's homepage fraudulently touts: "unmatched successful experience in...commercialization of anti-viral therapeutics."

(2) Yet NNVC's latest 10Q warns: "The Company has not yet commenced any product commercialization."

Yes, it really is cut and dry.

[Trendliner]

WHY NNVC IS NOT ON BIG PHARMA RADAR

My information is that 3 large Pharma's have reviewed the NNVC situation. two liked the technology 1 did not. I do not know the reason why the 3rd was cool on the technology. All three did not like the capital structure (2 classes of stock). The two that were interested, were interested in striking a deal with TheraCor not NNVC.

Because Diwan and Seymour have control with their ownership of the "better class of NNVC stock", in theory they could do a deal such that TheraCor is the prime beneficiary, and holders of the "lesser class" of NNVC stock would get something out of the deal but not the big prize.

If you are dubious, read the 10-K for yourself and you will see what I mean about the unfair capital structure. Of course if the "inner-guard" pulls this stunt there will be a law suit but who wants to wait for that to settle out.

At 50 cents, a big-pharma deal or a hit on Herpicide will get the common stock to 10 bucks and that's a 20 bagger from 50 cents. It's worth a shot at that level as I put it at a 1 in 10 that one of these two good outcomes will occur.

Trendliner

[Its_lose_not_loose]

I will bet they are on Big Pharma radar now, after they proved scale up. Don't be surprised if a deal is already mapped out waiting for the university results. This is a technology all big Pharma companies know they have to get in early or they will lose it to a competitor. I wouldn't be surprised if three or four companies have deals drawn up right now.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[JG36]

They also like to use their own time frames to measure ones investment and the time frames always come out as a loss.

Almost any time frame you use will show a loss. Only those who bought last summer, or many, many years ago shortly after NNVC was listed, can show a gain. So if anybody can be accused of cherry picking their time frame it's the people bragging about their gains.

Well the long cabal is now in charge!

That's hilarious. Only a couple years ago $2 was the floor that the bulls were confident NNVC would not go below. When we get to $4 I'll believe that the long cabal is now in charge. You say no one is selling the stock but then you insist that shorts are busy selling the stock.

I didn't invest because I was told by many individuals that 'you better wait until NNVC can prove that they can make this stuff in commercial qty's.' I researched and concluded the same.

Then why did you buy? NNVC still can't make commercial quantities. According to NNVC's latest SEC filing NNVC still can't make 500g quantities of any 'cide. And even if they could, 500g might be adequate for testing but still isn't commercial quantities.

I will bet they are on Big Pharma radar now, after they proved scale up. Don't be surprised if a deal is already mapped out waiting for the university results. This is a technology all big Pharma companies know they have to get in early or they will lose it to a competitor. I wouldn't be surprised if three or four companies have deals drawn up right now.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Big pharma won't touch this stock with a 20 foot pole before successful phase II results on humans come out. And then they will bid for Theracour, which owns all the IP, not for NNVC.

[Its_lose_not_loose]

I will bet they are on Big Pharma radar now, after they proved scale up. Don't be surprised if a deal is already mapped out waiting for the university results. [04/28/2016]

I can only imagine how frustrated Big Pharma must be, having paid for the expense of drawing up agreements and mapping out deals only now to find that material has yet to be sent to any of one of the labs for testing.

[Its_lose_not_loose]

How about a different sticky? We've been looking at this ridiculous nonsense for 5 months.

95% of it is inaccurate and the other 5% is wishful thinking.

Well Said!

That makes two of us <here anyway, many more elsewhere wink>
Two colleagues of mine know of the studies done in Dr. Rosenthal's lab and confirmed that they are 100 percent legit. Anyone who says otherwise is blowing bovine excrement. The FDA requires the university studies that are being done now not NNVC. NNVC has to follow the rules, as BS as those rules are, they must be followed.

I have read many of the longs posts and do not recall where anyone told anyone that NNVC was a must buy and there was no risk. I do recall some poster's stating what 'their' position was/is and that everyone should use there own judgment whether to invest or not.

Funny that the 'not longs' do not use this same methodology. They are 100 percent emphatic that this is a scam and it will fail, not one single positive comment from them at all. Recently suggesting that NNVC choosing three of the most reputable universities to do the studies is somehow a bad thing? Of coarse this is completely forgetting that they just argued that NNVC has no reputable sources to verify the technology! If that doesn't make your head tilt sideways then nothing will!

They also like to use their own time frames to measure ones investment and the time frames always come out as a loss. I wonder why they don't choose the time frame that someone bought (under encouragement from the longs LOL!) in January of this year and sold in mid March for a 300 percent gain?

Notice how they like to compare the stock price from one date to the next but THEY choose the dates. Notice how they also choose the assumption of buying on said date 1 and selling on said date 2. If someone bought at 3 dollars but didn't sell they've lost nothing! If someone bought at 1.10 (like me) and didn't sell they've lost nothing, also gained nothing! Since the stock is still ticking with the ONLY world class manufacturing facility on the planet capable of making commercials qty's of nano micelles, ample cash and the most highly reputable labs in the country to work with, the stock price has yet to be set! No one lost anything unless they sold and some could have bought and sold at huge profits so whats the point? I'll answer, there isn't one!

Funny how those same people seem so concerned with what others do with 'their own money' and claim they have done no one any wrong here. Well yeah sure, when they get to pick the dates! Anyone making any emphatic statement as to buy or sell (or avoid buying) is doing a major disservice to everyone! Someone could have bought when I recommended in January when the price was a buck and change. Still sitting at a 50 percent gain even after days of reversal! Not one care in the world about all the people that missed out on a potential 300 percent gain!

But. but, but, No it doesn't work that way does it? Those potential gains are to be ignored, we only need to look at the time frames when the stock goes down and assume that everyone bought in at the high point and are now selling at the low point. Is that correct? Is that how it works? LOL!

Screaming 'look at everyone losing their shirt every time the stock is red' is laughable. How do you know that was not buyers from a buck ten or a buck 30? Even more telling is why aren't they screaming wow look at everyone gaining all those shirts when the stock goes up for two straight months? The stock is only trading 20K shares a day and they are all buyers. The shorts have been trading with themselves to inflate the volume and drive the price down hoping to draw out some sellers. It ain't workin! Not this time! They are stuck bag holding 2 million shares right now and are trying anything to panic someone into selling.

Well the long cabal is now in charge! Was easy pickins, after that group got a taste of being able to move the price down by panicking sellers that's the time to buy up all the shares. They think they can do this again. Notice the price drop and still no sellers? They will have to get a little more brazen, don't be surprised if a 'pump terminator' style article comes out soon! They are getting desperate but nothing will put 2 million shares out for them to cover with. NOTHING! That I can guarantee! The shorts are cooked. There is NO ONE selling this stock. They are still shorting the straggling buys that come daily hoping that the lower price will bring the sellers. Wrong! NO ONE is selling! Why on earth would anyone sell waiting for the science to be validated any week now? I really can't believe that anyone would have shorted this without thinking that through?

I recall a statement that stocks go down 3 times as fast as they go up! LOL! So, on Feb 9th the price was 1.34. The peak closing price of 3.27 was on March 21st or 28 trading days apart! Price today is 1.68 exactly 28 trading days from the 3.27 peak! Yep that's right, the stock goes down 3 times as fast as it goes up, 28 is three times greater than 28 (and the price is still up 30 percent!) LOL!

That must be the same math that says the stock is down 80 percent when it is in fact up since inception. Unless of coarse you pick some other dates in between! LOL! Or it could be the math that says "Off by more than 5X = "off by a hair." LOL!

Really sorry about your long term frustrations with NNVC but everything that happened, happened. I know it sucks that Seymour was a babbling idiot spouting off all those hopeful indications but the fact is, they thought they would have a buyer early on and were dangling that out there. When they found out that big pharma wanted to see phase II results (or proof they could make this stuff in large qty's) they had to go it alone.

I wasn't around then so can't really comment whether I would have invested way back when. I started paying attention around the time they were announcing Flucide and Tox. I didn't invest because I was told by many individuals that 'you better wait until NNVC can prove that they can make this stuff in commercial qty's.' I researched and concluded the same. Unknown technology that no one else in the world is set up to make even one drop of never mind commercial quantities.

I will bet they are on Big Pharma radar now, after they proved scale up. Don't be surprised if a deal is already mapped out waiting for the university results. This is a technology all big Pharma companies know they have to get in early or they will lose it to a competitor. I wouldn't be surprised if three or four companies have deals drawn up right now.

[Its_lose_not_loose]

Well the long cabal is now in charge! Was easy pickins, after that group got a taste of being able to move the price down by panicking sellers that's the time to buy up all the shares. They think they can do this again. Notice the price drop and still no sellers? They will have to get a little more brazen, don't be surprised if a 'pump terminator' style article comes out soon! They are getting desperate but nothing will put 2 million shares out for them to cover with. NOTHING! That I can guarantee! The shorts are cooked. There is NO ONE selling this stock. They are still shorting the straggling buys that come daily hoping that the lower price will bring the sellers. Wrong! NO ONE is selling! Why on earth would anyone sell waiting for the science to be validated any week now? I really can't believe that anyone would have shorted this without thinking that through?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Its_lose_not_loose]

< BUMP >

Well Said!

That makes two of us <here anyway, many more elsewhere wink>
Two colleagues of mine know of the studies done in Dr. Rosenthal's lab and confirmed that they are 100 percent legit. Anyone who says otherwise is blowing bovine excrement. The FDA requires the university studies that are being done now not NNVC. NNVC has to follow the rules, as BS as those rules are, they must be followed.

I have read many of the longs posts and do not recall where anyone told anyone that NNVC was a must buy and there was no risk. I do recall some poster's stating what 'their' position was/is and that everyone should use there own judgment whether to invest or not.

Funny that the 'not longs' do not use this same methodology. They are 100 percent emphatic that this is a scam and it will fail, not one single positive comment from them at all. Recently suggesting that NNVC choosing three of the most reputable universities to do the studies is somehow a bad thing? Of coarse this is completely forgetting that they just argued that NNVC has no reputable sources to verify the technology! If that doesn't make your head tilt sideways then nothing will!

They also like to use their own time frames to measure ones investment and the time frames always come out as a loss. I wonder why they don't choose the time frame that someone bought (under encouragement from the longs LOL!) in January of this year and sold in mid March for a 300 percent gain?

Notice how they like to compare the stock price from one date to the next but THEY choose the dates. Notice how they also choose the assumption of buying on said date 1 and selling on said date 2. If someone bought at 3 dollars but didn't sell they've lost nothing! If someone bought at 1.10 (like me) and didn't sell they've lost nothing, also gained nothing! Since the stock is still ticking with the ONLY world class manufacturing facility on the planet capable of making commercials qty's of nano micelles, ample cash and the most highly reputable labs in the country to work with, the stock price has yet to be set! No one lost anything unless they sold and some could have bought and sold at huge profits so whats the point? I'll answer, there isn't one!

Funny how those same people seem so concerned with what others do with 'their own money' and claim they have done no one any wrong here. Well yeah sure, when they get to pick the dates! Anyone making any emphatic statement as to buy or sell (or avoid buying) is doing a major disservice to everyone! Someone could have bought when I recommended in January when the price was a buck and change. Still sitting at a 50 percent gain even after days of reversal! Not one care in the world about all the people that missed out on a potential 300 percent gain!

But. but, but, No it doesn't work that way does it? Those potential gains are to be ignored, we only need to look at the time frames when the stock goes down and assume that everyone bought in at the high point and are now selling at the low point. Is that correct? Is that how it works? LOL!

Screaming 'look at everyone losing their shirt every time the stock is red' is laughable. How do you know that was not buyers from a buck ten or a buck 30? Even more telling is why aren't they screaming wow look at everyone gaining all those shirts when the stock goes up for two straight months? The stock is only trading 20K shares a day and they are all buyers. The shorts have been trading with themselves to inflate the volume and drive the price down hoping to draw out some sellers. It ain't workin! Not this time! They are stuck bag holding 2 million shares right now and are trying anything to panic someone into selling.

Well the long cabal is now in charge! Was easy pickins, after that group got a taste of being able to move the price down by panicking sellers that's the time to buy up all the shares. They think they can do this again. Notice the price drop and still no sellers? They will have to get a little more brazen, don't be surprised if a 'pump terminator' style article comes out soon! They are getting desperate but nothing will put 2 million shares out for them to cover with. NOTHING! That I can guarantee! The shorts are cooked. There is NO ONE selling this stock. They are still shorting the straggling buys that come daily hoping that the lower price will bring the sellers. Wrong! NO ONE is selling! Why on earth would anyone sell waiting for the science to be validated any week now? I really can't believe that anyone would have shorted this without thinking that through?

I recall a statement that stocks go down 3 times as fast as they go up! LOL! So, on Feb 9th the price was 1.34. The peak closing price of 3.27 was on March 21st or 28 trading days apart! Price today is 1.68 exactly 28 trading days from the 3.27 peak! Yep that's right, the stock goes down 3 times as fast as it goes up, 28 is three times greater than 28 (and the price is still up 30 percent!) LOL!

That must be the same math that says the stock is down 80 percent when it is in fact up since inception. Unless of coarse you pick some other dates in between! LOL! Or it could be the math that says "Off by more than 5X = "off by a hair." LOL!

Really sorry about your long term frustrations with NNVC but everything that happened, happened. I know it sucks that Seymour was a babbling idiot spouting off all those hopeful indications but the fact is, they thought they would have a buyer early on and were dangling that out there. When they found out that big pharma wanted to see phase II results (or proof they could make this stuff in large qty's) they had to go it alone.

I wasn't around then so can't really comment whether I would have invested way back when. I started paying attention around the time they were announcing Flucide and Tox. I didn't invest because I was told by many individuals that 'you better wait until NNVC can prove that they can make this stuff in commercial qty's.' I researched and concluded the same. Unknown technology that no one else in the world is set up to make even one drop of never mind commercial quantities.

I will bet they are on Big Pharma radar now, after they proved scale up. Don't be surprised if a deal is already mapped out waiting for the university results. This is a technology all big Pharma companies know they have to get in early or they will lose it to a competitor. I wouldn't be surprised if three or four companies have deals drawn up right now.

[Its_lose_not_loose]

Well the long cabal is now in charge!

This is in direct contradiction to what a major investor (750,000 shares owned) stated at the 2016 annual shareholder meeting, He believes the short cabal is in charge and the force behind the plummeting share price.