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Tom Swift

01/12/16 11:52 AM

#25734 RE: DiscoveryStock #25732

Basically, you just said Cyclone is lying, repeatedly.

The problem is that for years Cyclone has advertised that they have a family of production ready engines for a variety of applications ranging from automotive to marine, from gen sets to waste heat recovery, from solar power to robotic. They have made claims for superior thermal efficiency and versatility and even posted a matrix showing the superiority of their technology to internal combustion, electric and so on.

Yet you stated: “Not saying that this time it's going to work for Cyclone, only that all those attempts are part of the process to make a successful motor.”

So, you are asserting that they haven’t developed a viable product but are working on it while they claimed exactly the opposite over 10 years ago. If that's supposed to be a ringing endorsement, it failed badly.

You also repeated Thomas Edison’s delightful quote: "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Tom was referring to the incandescent electric light, which was an entirely new and poorly understood field in the late 19th century. Today a lightbulb designer would pop out a design for a bulb with little worry that it would perform properly, it’s been reduced to a common engineering practice.

Well, guess what? Steam engines are not cancer drugs or nanomachines. They were old when old Tom started on the light; he had a number of them in his shops. By that time, engines had already been reduced to a common practice and people were knocking out their own original designs in the barn for home-made steam launches and the like (even a few early steam carriages). I’ve worked in product development most of my life (including engine development) and I can state that the state of the art has progressed fantastically since then and that prototype engines usually work exceptionally well on the first try; the further development is to clean up details in order to have the most competitive product possible.

When you get down to it, there isn’t all that much about the Cyclone that is radically new and therefore needs extensive development. A few of the items, like supercritical steam generation, are problematic mostly because the focus was on the theoretical advantages while casually writing off the many serious difficulties as trifling development issues. Thorough study would have revealed that the issues were far more complex and not amenable to the rapid resolution Cyclone assumed in their promotions. Since they still haven’t managed a trifling 50 hour run-off (you can get in your car and do one of these if you leave the engine idling while refueling every few hours if you get a partner to spell you at the wheel, they do about half this test at LeMans every year under much rougher conditions than Cyclone is likely to invoke---it’s hardly a milestone test)we can assume they are still a long way from having a real product.