Ask Zalemark, not a phone clerk at Crayola. I keep saying if you want answers try calling IR at ZMRK. You call their number and someone answers "Executive Office". You leave a message telling them what you want and nobody calls you back. Maybe you will have better luck as I think it was you who stated you talked to Zale at one time. But I will call Crayola today and ask. But you try to reach Zalemark as they never called me back.