Slo, the number I used answered with his personal voicemail greeting. And no, I did not use the number you just gave me. So I will try that also. Where do these guys live in the U.S. Sometimes camping out on their doorstep like a reporter trying to land the first news article might be the only way to reach these guys (Hudson or Grande). I have spoken to Michael before and he is a fairly reasonable guy to converse with. Maybe this is their guise for all discussions.