Replies to post #43647 on Seafarer Exploration Corp (SFRX)

[HOT SPURS]

God Bless America!

[hedge_fun]

So they got what 30 year plus permits?......rotf

The article says they have full salvage permits on the 1715 fleet.

I think the gig is up. If it was known Fisher sold the rights to the 1715 fleet......

Nevermind.

This is too good.

[hedge_fun]

Mel Fisher didn't get his permit for the 1715 wrecks until 1983. The Fisher family then sold those permits to another company several years ago.

The last time I checked. Roger Smith is not the Judge in the up coming sfrx court case and has nothing to do with the trial.

Roger Smith is also does not have the final say in if sfrx gets a full recovery permit.

Isn't part of the process of obtaining a full salvage permit identifying the ship (see below)? If so, wouldn't the Concepcion be off limits if some other entity has the salvage rights to the 1715 fleet?

I don't recall anyone claiming Mr. Smith was the trial Judge or had the final say on permits. But according to Mr. Smith the rules are in place, including a resign design which is to be submitted with a full salvage application.

But I could see him being under subpoena as a witness. What info does FBAR have about the so called "extracted cannon", if any? Was it found twice?

Regardless, the 1715 fleet appears to be off limits. Is SFRX doing work for Queens Jewels or what? They appear to be showing them where NOT TO LOOK.

Queens Jewels found a bronze cannon filled with gold coins. And brought it up.



From Mr. Smith.....

From: Smith, Roger [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:15 AM
Cc: Glowacki, Mary
Subject: RE: dive permits for florida waters

Dr. Glowacki asked that I send you the following information:
Attached is a copy of Rule 1A-31 Florida Statutes, and a copy of Guidelines for completing a 1A-31 permit.

Please keep in mind these permits are not a lease of state lands, only permission to explore state lands for the purpose of locating submerged cultural resources. Issuance of an Exploration Permit does not imply or guarantee any future issuance of a Recovery Permit.

We follow the procedures set forth in Chapter 1A-31, F.A.C., which are the rules for conducting exploration and recovery of historic shipwreck sites. I have attached a copy of Chapter 1A-31 for your reference.

Exploration Permit:
Under the supervision of your project archaeologist:
1. Conduct a magnetometer and side-scan sonar remote sensing survey of the permit area;

2. Conduct preliminary visual inspection of acquired targets that are not buried, and record them for interpretation;

3. Prepare a report (guidelines attached to permit, i.e., Chapter 1A-46, F.A.C., Archaeological and Historical Report Standards and Guidelines) of the findings of the survey, with areas of potential interest interpreted by archaeologist;

4. Archaeologist to prepare a research design for testing and identification of target areas.


Amendment to Exploration Permit (disturbance of the seabed will require additional permits from the Department of Environmental Protection and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers):
1. DHR review of report and research design;

2. If above is satisfactory, permit may be amended to allow for testing and identification of target areas;

3. Archaeologist conducts inspection of targets, records test excavations, makes preliminary site plans, selects small diagnostic artifacts for recovery;

4. Analysis, cleaning and conservation of recovered diagnostic artifacts;

5. Archaeologist interprets site and contents for final permit report.

The objective of the amended exploration permit is to determine the nature of the shipwreck- its nationality, age, and name. Pursuant to 1A-31.0062(1) (b), “a recovery permit may be issued only after the existence and nature of an historic shipwreck site has been documented by exploration permit activities and mutually agreed upon by the division and the permittee.” It should be noted that if exploration permit activities reveal an historic shipwreck site or vessel that is non-permittable as defined in 1A-31.0045, or that is a unique and significant cultural resource as determined by the division, no permit may be issued by the division for further work on that site or vessel.

Recovery Permit:
1. New application submitted with research design, justification for recovery, details of personnel, methodology, budget, conservation facilities, financial ability, and schedule of work.

2. DHR review of application, consultation with applicant, and other permitting agencies (DEP, USACE).


I hope this helps to answer your questions.


Roger C. Smith, Ph.D.
State Underwater Archaeologist | Bureau of Archaeological Research | Division of Historical Resources | Florida Department of State | 1001 DeSoto Park Drive | Tallahassee, Florida 32301 | 850.245.6444 | Fax: [phone] | dos.myflorida.com/historical

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Mel Fisher didn't get his permit for the 1715 wrecks until 1983. The Fisher family then sold those permits to another company several years ago.

The last time I checked. Roger Smith is not the Judge in the up coming sfrx court case and has nothing to do with the trial.

Roger Smith is also does not have the final say in if sfrx gets a full recovery permit.

I hope sfrx recovers some treasure this summer. I believe they are on the trail of a treasure wreck and all the negative posting won't stop sfrx from trying to find it.

Nice to see facts on the Board

[hedge_fun]

Please keep in mind these permits are not a lease of state lands, only permission to explore state lands for the purpose of locating submerged cultural resources. Issuance of an Exploration Permit does not imply or guarantee any future issuance of a Recovery Permit.

We follow the procedures set forth in Chapter 1A-31, F.A.C., which are the rules for conducting exploration and recovery of historic shipwreck sites. I have attached a copy of Chapter 1A-31 for your reference.



Seafarers Quest received a 1A-31 Exploration Permit. It does not allow for salvage or selling of artifacts, only investigation of targets located by remote sensing instruments. Issuance of an exploration permit does not guarantee future issuance of a recovery permit. If exploratory digging is required, additional permits from the Department of Environmental Protection and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will be required. Under supervision of the permitee’s archaeologist, remote sensing targets will be investigated and evaluated. The permit allows for minimal recovery of diagnostic artifact to accomplish this, but these materials remain in public ownership. Interim written reports by the archaeologist are sent to this agency for review and evaluation. After completion of this work (the permit is for three years), the permittee may apply for a Recovery Permit, which carries archaeological guidelines and requirements for treatment and conservation of artifacts, which may periodically be divided between the permittee and this agency.



Roger C. Smith, Ph.D.

State Underwater Archaeologist | Bureau of Archaeological Research | Division of Historical Resources | Florida Department of State | 1001 DeSoto Park Drive | Tallahassee, Florida 32301 | 850.245.6444 | Fax: [phone] | www.flheritage.com

I think they need to OPEN THE BOOKS. Seriously.

[crude-dude]

So we can just buy a permit from another company? Did the Fisher's sell the claim or actual permits?