I think that what yuo are saying is that we need to buy early enough to ride the pump up and then dump it when the multipls are as you say. So I guess the clue is when you see Clayton Smiths name on a cheap iunder a penney stock, jump on it and ride it up to a nickel. I wish I knew this ealier but I will keep it in mind. Any other ways to know when an uunder a penny stock is a pumper? Clayton isnt the only one is he?