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Ecomike

04/15/15 2:20 PM

#19381 RE: cooler #19374

Formic acid is actually used as an FDA approved human food additive to grain shipments.....to slow/stop spoilage in shipment and storage. Not likely that humans would try drinking vehicle fuel like gasoline or formic acid. Lame argument trying to say Mvtg formic acid fuel cell fuel is too toxic/dangerous to use.

It does however have huge economic advantages over hydrogen used by PLUG. One spark and Kaboom!!!!

I remember when WD-40 thought propane was a safe aerosol can propellant until the propane bottling operation leveled the entire plant. Who will be the first to loose a warehouse to an H2 explosion?

Ecomike

04/15/15 2:36 PM

#19382 RE: cooler #19374

It might be worthwhile to research who is who in the R&D efforts to switch from PLUG 's fuel choice, H2, to formic acid for fuel cells. They do not seem to have any concerns about formic acid, or sodium formate fuel cell fuel safety. In fact they are praising the advantages of it over methanol and hydrogen for safety reasons. See the links below.

Motorola was all set to use formic acid in mobil phones in 2008 in a 5 million deal with Tekion that developed a Ballard PEM fuel cell for use with Formic acid (the Tekion CEO came from Ballard, look up Neil Huff, he also last worked at MVTG in 2012 :-) and now works for Cleantech). Had they used the MVTG non-PEM fuel cell they might have beaten Apple to the I-phone market.

Do you think Motorla would invest 5 million dollars in formic acid fuel cells if they saw a formic acid safety issue?

https://www.google.com/search?q=basf+formic+acid+fuel+cell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

Now what does this have to do with PLUG? It has to do with what fuel cells they will be using in the future. Will they be switching to Mvtg fuel cells to save 80% on the cost of the fuel cells, or let a new forklift conversion competitor take over their market while PLUG continues to go bankrupt burning up record cash rates.