its at trips...if I want to buy someone's shares what I am doing, waiting to save a few nickels...any fool who can read a chart or do the DD know that there are few sellers here because there are no bag holders that go below the current bid people who had shares at or below .0004 sold a long time ago..when there was volume.... so anyone with a trip holding now, those at .0005 and up to .0009 will simply sit on it and wait for it to move up, they all move at some point...even if it takes 6 moths....