Replies to post #24189 on Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc. (fka CYPW)

[trendy123]

I love your attitude! You don't take things personal.

[BuddyWhazhizname]

Which "fine minds" are we talking about?

Cyclone fired all their engineers 6 months ago.

Harry Schoell, self-proclaimed "ingenious inventor" is now the total of the technical fine minds on staff. Granted, he's a master of BSing people with technobabble, but he never even went to college, let alone engineering school.

Here's an example of his technical prowess with this technology from the steam car club message board:

HLS
Re: Steam Bearings
December 20, 2008 11:30AM

HI Guys
We make our own bearings the roller type are ceramic. and just a note water is a better lube than oil as it doesnot break down. The problem is that oil is an electrical insulater where water is a conducter. What happens in metal bearings is they act as a small generator and cause a metal to metal atomic attraction hence gualing. Composits and ceramics do not have this problem and they roll so sweetly. Of course any contaminates do not work well with anything. A total closed loop system with out contaminates is by far the best. The ceramic bearings can live 7 to 10 times longer than a steal bearing.
Harry

Let's ignore all the misspelled technical terms.

First, oil doesn't "break down" in use. Motor oil in engines gets contaminated with combustion products in use, and the additives get depleted, which is why it needs periodic changing. Oil in power plant steam turbines goes 20-30 years or more without changing. Even then, the problem is contamination, not that the oil itself has "broken down".

Second, he's using deionized water, which is an extremely poor conductor of electricity. It's conductivity is similar to that of oil.

Third, bearings do not act as small generators. In cases were an external electrical current is passed through a bearing, the damage has a particular signature and this is never seen unless there is an external current applied. If bearings generated their own electric current then this particular damage pattern would be seen in all bearings.

Fourth, "Galling is most commonly found in metal surfaces that are in sliding contact with each other. It is especially common where there is inadequate lubrication between the surfaces." and "Steel that is fully hardened is very resistant to galling." (from Wikipedia) If Harry was seeing galling in hardened steel bearings, it was because water is ineffective as a lubricant, not because of some mystical bearing-generator theory he made up.

This is just another example of why Cyclone's "fine minds" will never be able to make the condenser work, or to make the valves work so that they can have an actual working product to sell.

Ohio State University has been working for a year and a half to make the Waste Heat Engine (WHE) work. The first thing they did was throw away Harry Schoell's design and start over. The eliminated his valve system and his "spider bearing". The new design was reported to work far better, but it still hasn't been made to run for even 200 hours without breaking down due to difficulty in making water lubrication work. Note that the WHE engine is low pressure (200 psi) while the Cyclone engine is high pressure (3200 psi). Even if the WHE can be made to run for 200 hours before breaking down, conditions in the Cyclone engine are going to be far tougher on the bearings.

Remember that Cyclone predicted the WHE was going to meet the 200 hour durability requirement by the end of last year and go into production. Ohio State is still working on that with no news a year later.

And even when they can get a low pressure, low power, low efficiency engine to last 200 hours, who's going to want it? Would you buy a car that needed its engine replaced every 8000 miles?

Cyclone would be better off with an infinite number of monkeys banging away at CAD terminals.