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arizona1

11/25/14 4:46 PM

#100151 RE: arizona1 #100150

Look at these ANIMALS Riot!!

It really is a shame, how these people just can't control themself, how they just go completely ape shit at the slightest little thing and begin to tear up their own town, their own community, their own schools. Rioting and looting and Destruction!!!

What. Is. Wrong. With. These. Frakked. Up. People?



Obviously they weren't raised right. Their culture is clearly deficient since they don't know better than to behave this way.

It's a disgrace, an utter disgrace I say. Shame. Shame on them.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/25/1347388/-Look-at-these-ANIMALS-Riot




And here again, you see - the Animals on the Street causing damage? Fighting in the Street, turning over port-o-potties, and arrests.


Where is DON LEMON when you need him to stand there with his camera crew, clucking his tongue in disgust as he lectures Jesse Jackson on "making excuses" for this dangerous, destructive scum?

Someone should take away the rights of these maggots to walk around in public unmolested and unwatched until they learn to act and behave properly.

Seriously.

Vyan

StephanieVanbryce

11/25/14 5:22 PM

#100155 RE: arizona1 #100150

It’s Incredibly Rare For A Grand Jury To Do What Ferguson’s Just Did

9:30 PM --Nov 24 By Ben Casselman


Justin Sullivan Getty Images

A St. Louis County grand jury on Monday decided not to indict Ferguson, Missouri, police officer Darren Wilson in the August killing of teenager Michael Brown. The decision wasn’t a surprise — leaks from the grand jury had led most observers to conclude an indictment was unlikely — but it was unusual. Grand juries nearly always decide to indict.

Or at least, they nearly always do so in cases that don’t involve police officers.

Former New York state Chief Judge Sol Wachtler famously remarked that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “indict a ham sandwich.” The data suggests he was barely exaggerating: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.

Wilson’s case was heard in state court, not federal, so the numbers aren’t directly comparable. Unlike in federal court, most states, including Missouri, allow prosecutors to bring charges via a preliminary hearing in front of a judge instead of through a grand jury indictment. That means many routine cases never go before a grand jury. Still, legal experts agree that, at any level, it is extremely rare for prosecutors to fail to win an indictment.

“If the prosecutor wants an indictment and doesn’t get one, something has gone horribly wrong,”
said Andrew D. Leipold, a University of Illinois law professor who has written critically about grand juries. “It just doesn’t happen.”

Cases involving police shootings, however, appear to be an exception.
As my colleague Reuben Fischer-Baum has written, we don’t have good data on officer-involved killings. But newspaper accounts suggest, grand juries frequently decline to indict law-enforcement officials. A recent Houston Chronicle investigation found that “police have been nearly immune from criminal charges in shootings” in Houston and other large cities in recent years. In Harris County, Texas, for example, grand juries haven’t indicted a Houston police officer since 2004; in Dallas, grand juries reviewed 81 shootings between 2008 and 2012 and returned just one indictment. Separate research by Bowling Green State University criminologist Philip Stinson has found that officers are rarely charged in on-duty killings, although it didn’t look at grand jury indictments specifically.

There are at least three possible explanations as to why grand juries are so much less likely to indict police officers. The first is juror bias: Perhaps jurors tend to trust police officer and believe their decisions to use violence are justified, even when the evidence says otherwise. The second is prosecutorial bias: Perhaps prosecutors, who depend on police as they work on criminal cases, tend to present a less compelling case against officers, whether consciously or unconsciously.

The third possible explanation is more benign. Ordinarily, prosecutors only bring a case if they think they can get an indictment. But in high-profile cases such as police shootings, they may feel public pressure to bring charges even if they think they have a weak case.

“The prosecutor in this case didn’t really have a choice about whether he would bring this to a grand jury,” Ben Trachtenberg, a University of Missouri law professor, said of the Brown case. “It’s almost impossible to imagine a prosecutor saying the evidence is so scanty that I’m not even going to bring this before a grand jury.”

The explanations aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s possible, for example, that the evidence against Wilson was relatively weak, but that jurors were also more likely than normal to give him the benefit of the doubt. St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch has said he plans to release the evidence collected in the case, which would give the public a chance to evaluate whether justice was served here. But beyond Ferguson, we won’t know without better data why grand juries are so reluctant to indict police officers.

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fuagf

11/25/14 5:41 PM

#100156 RE: arizona1 #100150

Bob McCulloch: Prosecutor or defense attorney for Darren Wilson?

by Joan McCarterFollow
Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 09:42 AM PST

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There are plenty of questions swirling around St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch in the wake of the grand jury's decision not to indict officer Darren Wilson for killing unarmed black teenager Michael Brown. McCulloch's performance last night in announcing the decision prompted some great ones .. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/25/1347320/-The-questions-no-one-asked-St-Louis-prosecutor-Bob-McCulloch .. from Mark Sumner, but let's back up a few months to the basic decision by McCulloch in taking this to the grand jury, and how he presented the case there. As more information comes out, it looks more and more like the very unusual process McCulloch kicked off was intended to get the result he wanted—no indictment.

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What possible reason was there for a prosecutor to seat a grand jury for an indictment he didn't want for an accused he wanted to defend?
— @jesseltaylor .. http://twitter.com/jesseltaylor
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Let's start with McCulloch's refusal to step aside .. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119172/ferguson-prosecutor-robert-mcculloch-should-step-aside .. in this case. The people in and around Ferguson gave a vote of no confidence, in effect, to McCulloch when 70,000 of them signed a petition demanding that he recuse himself. McCulloch's history is problematic, at best, and his alignment with the cops unquestioned. His father was a cop, who was killed in the line of duty by an African-American person. When the county police clearly were overreacting in handling the protests immediately following the killing, and Gov. Jay Nixon called in the state highway patrol to try to calm the situation down, McCulloch loudly and publicly criticized him for "denigrat[ing] the men and women of the county police." McCulloch's bias going into this grand jury proceeding was unquestioned, certainly in the community, and his refusal to step aside guaranteed that there would be a high level of distrust in the proceedings.

For more on those proceedings, and the vast array of problems in how this process unfolded, please continue reading after the jump.



As for the proceedings, they were highly unusual and in the view of at least these two legal experts .. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/24/3596621/in-powerful-video-legal-experts-explain-why-the-grand-jury-in-ferguson-was-set-up-for-failure/, deeply flawed. The lawyers, St. Louis University law professor Susan McGraugh and Jerryl T. Christmas, a defense attorney and former prosecutor in St. Louis lay out their problems in interviews with Phillip Johnson, a "filmmaker, writer [and] community engager." First and foremost, McCulloch's decision to present every bit of evidence he had—with no culling and no presentation—to the grand jury was a strong signal he was trying to avoid a prosecution. A prosecutor normally gives the grand jury only the evidence necessary to establish probable cause. Then McCulloch allowed Wilson four full hours to present his testimony, an opportunity McGraugh says is never allowed her criminal suspects. In summary .. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/11/25/law-and-disorder-in-ferguson?utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=site-placement&utm_source=featured-block&utm_content=1-111:

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This was not a typical .. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ferguson-grand-jury-unusual-ways-27103419 .. grand jury proceeding in which only a few witnesses testify, the prosecutor tightly controls what grand jurors hear, and the suspect does not testify at length about why he should not be charged.
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Then there are the leaks. The leaks that occurred throughout the "secret" deliberations of the grand jury .. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120402/ferguson-protests-over-michael-brown-case-about-racist-justice-system .. that all seemed to bolster Wilson's story.

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In October, the Washington Post reported .. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html .. a number of leaks in the case, nearly all in support .. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119949/new-autopsy-indicates-michael-brown-didnt-have-hands-surrendering .. of Wilson's story. The leaks seemed like such a transparent attempt to influence public opinion that the Justice Department said, "There seems to be an inappropriate effort to influence public opinion about this case." The DOJ itself has also had leaks .. http://tinyurl.com/p35qppd .. indicating that Wilson would not face civil rights charges.
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Then there's Wilson's testimony. Missouri law gives deference .. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120404/ferguson-grand-jury-no-indictment-darren-wilson-evidence-murky .. to police when they say that they were in fear for their lives in a police-involved killing. Wilson had four hours to present his case—his unbelievable .. http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side .. and hyperbolic case—that the unarmed teenager turned into some sort of monster before his very eyes. Four hours.

All of which adds up to a very unusual grand jury process engineered by McCulloch that resulted in a very unusual outcome .. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/11/25/law-and-disorder-in-ferguson?utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=site-placement&utm_source=featured-block&utm_content=1-111.

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How do we know it is rare for a prosecutor to manage a grand jury in this fashion? We know because the grand jury process has become pro forma in most jurisdictions .. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/05/the-grand-jury-voting-on-one-case-every-52-seconds.html .. and because prosecutors almost always get an indictment from them when they want one .. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/393430/thoughts-tonight-jonah-goldberg. On the federal level, FiveThirtyEight reported .. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/ .. last night, "U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return in indictment in 11 of them." That’s about 0.01 percent of the time.
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Finally, there was McCulloch's performance last night, which put him firmly in the role of defense attorney for Wilson, and demonstrated why this case should have gone to trial. McCulloch spent something like 45 minutes covering all the evidence presented to the grand jury, every detail step by step of how the shooting unfolded, every discrepancy in witnesses' statements. Then he released all that evidence publicly .. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/25/1347312/-4-799-pages-of-grand-jury-testimony-in-the-Darren-Wilson-case, which he was not required by any means to do, but did apparently in an attempt to paint the grand jury process as fair. Here's the main problem .. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120403/mcculloch-implicitly-conceded-need-wilson-trial-michael-brown .. with what McCulloch did Monday night, as summed up by Noam Scheiber.

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The problem with this is that we already have a forum for establishing the underlying facts of a case—and, no less important, for convincing the public that justice is being served in a particular case. It’s called a trial. It, rather than the post-grand jury press conference, is where lawyers typically introduce mounds of evidence to the public, litigate arguments extensively, and generally establish whether or not someone is guilty of a crime. By contrast, as others have pointed out .. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120395/ferguson-grand-jury-makes-issues-no-charges-officer-wilson, the point of a grand jury isn't to determine beyond a shadow of a doubt what actually happened. It's to determine whether there's probable cause for an indictment, which requires a significantly lower standard of proof. That McCulloch appeared to turn the grand jury into an exercise in sorting out the former rather than the latter suggested he wanted no part of a trial.
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From all the available evidence we have, there's every indication that McCulloch manipulated this grand jury process to get the result he wanted—an exoneration of Wilson. Including this.

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Prosecutor told #Ferguson grand jury on Friday: "I think you are going to make the right decision. I think you are very bright."
— @bradheath .. http://twitter.com/bradheath
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Can there be any question now what that "right decision" was, as far as McCulloch was concerned?

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 09:42 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/25/1347403/-Bob-McCulloch-Prosecutor-or-defense-attorney-for-Darren-Wilson?detail=hide

See also:

There is an initial concern among the Brown supporters with the Missouri prosecutor overseeing the investigation as he is deeply associated with the police force.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=105511437

Ferguson grand jury is notable in several ways
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=108485847

McCulloch's office gives lame explanation for late release of grand jury decision
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=108514947

National Bar Association calls for Federal Charges against Darren Wilson
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=108515081

dropdeadfred

11/26/14 8:50 AM

#100230 RE: arizona1 #100150

So these are the police you are speaking of starting fires? Around the 1 minute mark you can see an officer try to break in a pizza joint to start a fire only to be blocked by a peaceful protester. lol Where is the media on this? I've also seen video of firemen leaving a fire because they were being shot at.. I'm guessing you think that was from police too, right?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDLpiEWlFZ0#t=142